Blizzard Silently Nerfed Dual-Wield Killing Machine Proc Rate in Shadowlands

WHICH IS WHAT?! You said it was a different playstyle now you are saying its the same playstyle but played perfectly, which is it?

That is a lie, not once did I have DW lose RI stacks. Out of every single test I did not once did my RI stacks dip below 50% with DW.

And no, 2h will not have full stacks all the time for Obliteration windows. At least not all of them. Depending on when the stacks fall off, you could be going into a PoF window and have 0 stacks so you only get maybe 1-2 full stacked Obliterates. Even your opener it takes time to stack up RI. It lasts 12 seconds, it would take 10 seconds to get to full RI stacks with a 1 second GCD. That leaves 2 seconds to get one more Obliterate at full stacks.

So no, I will almost guarantee people will be on these forums complaining about how bad the tier set is with 2h.

Unholy never had DW outside of bugs. Quit talking like Unholy was the DW spec, it wasnt, its always been Frost. Just get rid of 2h because it doesnt fit how the spec is designed.

Says the person not presenting anything. So shut up. If you have nothing to put forward, hush.

unholy always was able to dw, until they removed the ability to as unholy and blood
 there were no bugs causing this.

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It was a typo, I edited the post right after submission.

I’ll ask Taez, he’ll know.

This is true, but it’s still fine. Simulations take this into consideration.

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Just because you had the ability to, doesnt mean that it was. You have the ability to eat a steak with a spoon, it doesnt make it the right choice.

It was only good, because of a bug, where Sudden Doom was proccing off of the offhand which wasnt intended. Otherwise your damage was in the gutter.

who cares? some of us just want the ability to dw once again.

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If only Runic Empowerment and Corruption kind of work that way
 That being said.

The stealth nerf seems
 Mortifying.

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I dont know or care who that is, you stated it you should be able to answer it. Just like now you are talking about people not playing properly which is an assumption with 2h vs DW, what is this 2h proper play? Whats the BiS? Is it based on the content that you are doing, or is it based on absolute BiS? There is a difference there that your guide didnt include either from what I can tell.

No its not. If I were a betting man, I would take the bet that people would come to these forums complaining about RI falling off so much and asking for 2h buffs concerning the tier set.

But again, 40% of my DW auto crits procced KM. 75% of my 2h auto crits procced KM. DW however has over double the attack rate of 2h.

I just wish they would’ve told us. It’s been in effect all of Shadowlands so nothing directly changes right now, except our understand of it and the value of talents etc.

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Because the next thing is you would be wanting it to be balanced just like what happened with 2h for Frost.

Ive heard this argument, and its just factually false or else MotFW wouldnt exist, because the ability to use a 2h is enough
 right?

DW back to Unholy?

Why not shield for Unholy with Necromantic Aegis from Path of Exile as a twist? :^)

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early on, frost was better using 2h because of the harder hits, so that makes more sense for frost being 2h.

unholy was the “desease spreader”, so using 2 faster weapons made more sense with keeping up stacks
 and honestly still does, which is why there are players who’d like to see the weapon restrictions flipped if not removed altogether.

no clue what point you’re trying to make here, but ok.

no clue what you’re even trying to troll about; just go back to your hole before i spray you with garden hose


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If you don’t know what Necromantic Aegis is, it just means your stats on a shield do not affect you as a character and it will affect your minions instead.

Whatever the Strength, Stamina, Crit, Haste, Mastery or Vers it has will go to your minions instead of you.

If you want DW Unholy, all the weapon restrictions need to go and the game should embrace creativity.

No, it wasnt lol. This is just flat out false. There is only 1 raid tier where 2h was on par with DW and that was early WoD for Frost. Just because something can hit harder which early on DW was hitting just as hard as ARP Blood, doesnt mean its better.

Everyone spread diseases as well. What “stacks” are you talking about? Necrotic Plague stacks? It stacked on its own.

"A powerful disease that deals (x% of attack power) Shadowfrost damage per stack every 2 sec for 30 sec. Each time it deals damage, it gains 1 stack and infects another nearby enemy within 8 yards if possible.

Replaces Blood Plague and Frost Fever, and is applied by any ability which applied either. This effect cannot be refreshed; it gains 1 stack instead."

Now thats out of the way, stay on topic because I dont want to be blamed for your actions for derailing the thread.

Got anything to add to the topic of the thread? If not go start your own about DW unholy.

unholy does have a stacking attack now and a “popping” attack to inflict its damage. faster swings would allow stacks to replenish faster over time compared to a slower weapon.

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and by the way- yes many played 2h frost back in the day for pvp over the dw pve build just because of the oblit crits.

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I cant tell why you are so hung up about BiS and things when you are not doing content where you will ever get BiS gear, or where damage checks will ever be a thing where “proper play” from icecap would ever be necessary. Rough hill to die on.

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Don’t forget Conversion was also a thing. :slight_smile:

Also, Biceps is giving 2 different narratives. Here hes saying its fine but on the PTR forums hes saying things like.

Others are also saying things like

Because Biceps brought up BiS, while not saying what it is, not saying if its raid bis, m+ bis or absolute bis.

But its the same ol garbage argument by people trying to gatekeep more information from getting out. Get a better argument. But what should people expect from the DK community that only whines about other players.

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i’ll be honest about this one- i never liked frost enough to play it. tried it back then
 didn’t like it
 stuck to unholy since i enjoyed it since day 1.