Agree. Best case is they apply classic paradigms to retail. Would I mind more classic content? Not one bit. Retail is heading into DBZ territory story wise with the next super bad being 10000x worse than the last. That said I did really enjoy legion. But the notion of abandoning retail entirely? Yeah no thanks.
Can we all agree that WOD was garbage? lol
Classes on retail are boring because they took away spells especially compared to legion.
Classes on retail aren’t bad because paladin tanks can taunt and regen mana…
the one thing i would absolutely love to see added to retail from classic is the design idea of classes. of classes being unique. bring the rpg back to the classes.
let different classes be different.
in retail the only difference between a fury warrior, a frost dk, and an enhancement shaman is the name of the abilities they push.
they all have resource generators. and resource spenders. and that is about it.
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You’re trying to talk two different points. Class balance and challenge are separate design issues.
And, it’s apples and oranges. Challenge in Retail is player performance inside Mythic+ dungeons and Raids. Challenge in classic is time/resource management.
Do you have the numbers on that?
so we agree burning crusade balance would be good then?
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To heck with modern wow for sure, it’s completely worthless and I would never waste my money on it. However, how could we every trust the company that brought us modern WoW to actually give us a good Classic+ ???
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Look at twitch streaming. classic has out preformed retail for the last 3 weeks.
Granted its not a 100% hook line and sinker but it is a good indication of peoples interests. Retail wow has been suffering for years now and if i remember correctly from blizzards earning call it has the lower number of players since the release of wow.
I am not saying retail wow is going to shut down but clearly the direction they took the game pushed 9+ million players away.
Classic with as many servers as there are and clearly still not enough, can hold around 60k people. theirs what 20+ servers for US and almost every one is full. so 20X60,000= 1.2 million players
also another indecation classic is out preforming is that blizzard stock is the highest its been in the last year and is showing sings of getting higher.
Sure, but I would like the encourage the devs to make new 60 content first, why not see what can happen? We can always go back and just release a pure Burning Crusade server you know?
Yep. If it were up to me we would dump all the homogenization. Everyone doesn’t get a kick, a bubble, a heal. Put the baseline class abilities back.
I dont want more levels, more levels does not = harder conent. i want more content that doesn’t completely disregard everything released before it. MC should still be viable from day one to the release of new content.
they need to spend more time n engaging content for PVE and PVP. and on PVP servers these two should clash A LOT!
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no you misunderstand me.
i’m saying using a bc style of balance in classic. you say you want adjustments to classic classes. i’m assuming for the poor performing specs.
blizzard has already commented on the issue. they said if they were to balance they would give us retail (shudders)
my alternative would be to say “hey just do kind of what you did in bc, pures are king, but hybrids are good enough to be brought, and bring tons of support”.
keeps classes unique and lots of buff/utility stacking, while letting hybrids actually dps, and without making hybrids useless as dps.
burning crusade was my favorite design wise. yeah balance was better in wrath. but thats when as you said, everyone got an interrupt, everyone got an aoe, everyone got a cc, etc.
No thank you.
Retconning this game with some crap alternate universe time line is a no from me fam. Really would kill WoW right there.
People can never be happy. We wanted classic, blizzard gave us classic. Now we want new content in classic…
Which is just crazy to me that people even want this to begin with.
Enjoy the fact that they gave us classic.
How would Blizzard re-introduce WoW Classic philosophy into a post-BFA expansion though?
Blizzard changed the gameplay system over the years so that you basically have resource-spending skills and resource building skills, in such a way that you’re basically giving up resource management in favor of rotations.
That turned it into a Diablo 3 style system - no downtime or drinking or eating. You basically use all your skills actively to maintain your mana or rage or focus or whatever.
How do you flip that backward and keep retail moving along?
And that’s just the gameplay system. We still would need them to revert the talent tree system too. Not to mention re-examining the global cooldown stuff.
It seems like there is too much required to simply retool Retail WoW without a complete do-over of sorts.
But, hey - I’m open to it if it’ possible.
I’m just loving the activity and strategy and community in Classic WoW and I don’t want to go back to BFA as-is.
Stop trying to take away my flying!!!
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Sorry my friend. I enjoyed flying in TBC but when they started changing the design of zones around flying it removed the aspect of the world from the game. you could skip everything drop in, kill 1 mob and fly away. this killed world PVP also.
Could have been a cool system but it was implemented bad and caused very bad long term damage to the game. Its more of a cancer now.
Then how do you plan to get to the floating chunk of land for netherdrake dailies? How do you plan on doing the zones on floating islands in “Nethergarde”(?)
add flight paths.
How are you going to get to said flight path if you cant fly to obtain it?
Flight worked fine in TBC. I wouldn’t take it away from TBC.
The TBC key stuff was mostly locked up inside dungeons and raids, so you couldn’t just drop down and complete a quest key.
You used flight to get to the Blade’s Edge content. And to do Netherdrake farming. Stuff like that.
I’m sayin in Azeroth we should NEVER have flight. Flight makes sense in the Outlands - the whole zone disregards the law of physics.
But in Northrend I would not allow flight. It’s still part of Azeroth.
I would only allow flight in specific zones where the lore makes sense for it. (and where you can create specified gameplay for flight)