spellslinger frostbolts = 400k, frostfire ice lances = 670k+80k icicle, stacking mastery is freaking stupid for pvp frost, and… everything as frostfire breaks cc, it feels like dog poo…
My frostbolts in 11.0.2 hit for 550k LOL… My frostbolts now are hitting less. ??? Damage was 12:1int for Frostbolt in 11.02, now its 5.4:1int with icy veins and death chill stacks. Omg. Bluizzard, what are you doing???
plus giving me supernova, added like 9 new binds, as I had to remove my focus ice nova bind for focus super nova, ended up finding a new bind for focus ice nova, ended up binding ice nova 123, and super nova 123, target supernova too.
Just get hard stuck because I play with 1500 players and always play frostbolt regardless of if its good or not…
DF was premier play for Frostbolt, its not been that good since Wotlk. Then they just took a dookie on it lol.
Not gonna play FFB and cleave and break cc lmao. It is so dumb. The fact its mastery+haste and not verse+haste lmao, wth. The fact FFB and every class you play with breaks CC LOL. This game feels like mush atm.
its why I was not glad in Cata lol, I refused to play or spam lance, there was like no such thing as prue frostbolt build in cata lol, I did not spam lance klike they do in cata until the last season of the expansion, and even then, I did not play it with enthusiasm or with anyone who was gladiator lmao. It should be a felony to spam ice lance and have it do more damage than frostbolt in pvp.
Adapting is so stupid, its why the web went to poop, its why everything goes to poop, major companies kill what is good, adapting is suppose to take place over 1000s of years, not instantaneously when a patch drops lmao, that is not natural at all lol.
This thought that you have to adapt to do well in this world is what is wrong with our world lol. When they killed macromedia/adobe flash, they set ui design b ack 20+ years lmao…
We gotta stop adapting. It’s better to stay the course. The only reason we ever adapt is because greedy people drop content updates like iphone, blizzard patches, software updates for office cloud, etc, streaming platforms, subscriptions, its all bs and should be illegal. even the movies they make now days are bad. Our media and even food has gone to poop. I went to bed, woke up, and its all crap, can we please make these cahnges slower, instead of over night:? lmao
I don’t really see how frostfire breaks anymore cc compared to spellslinger. For me frostfire feels better than spellslinger in pmuch all pvp situations, and it finally feels really strong without being busted (except against warriors and bad melee).
I feel like you’re overthinking this. You don’t need 1/2/3 macros for every ability. Tbh unless you’re pushing for rank 1, you arguably don’t need any. I would rather take the 2 binds for db and ring, and just have 1 bind for ice nova (no macro).
Use target 1/2/3 minimum, have at least one bind to set focus targets without needing to change targets (ideally focus 1/2/3 but if you’re fast enough one focus bind is sufficient), and have a few focus binds for stuff that is actually important/that often will decide games, like counterspell, polymorph, and spellsteal.
The chances of clutching out a win because you focus ice nova’d someone (versus just quickly targeting them for a moment and then changing back to your original target) is just not worth the extra binds imo [to each their own though].
Tbh from my pov, frost mage is actually in a really solid spot atm.
If we’re talking about 1500 arena (not blitz), there are a lot of bigger priority things I would worry about over focus binds.
I understand that this season is deflated, but you’re doing a lot more wrong than right if you’re stuck at 1500 (imo) [e.g., use of defensives, dps rotation, positioning, target choice/swaps, camera movement, etc.].
I’ve only used spellslinger for doing pve (where I’m not worried about breaking cc), but how exactly is spellslinger any less prone to breaking cc compared to frostfire [e.g., instead of frostfire instants breaking cc, you have multiple hero talents that cause splinter aoe damage]?
If breaking cc due to frostfire empowerment is annoying (which I kind of agree with you that it is), you can opt to not mindlessly spam your instant frostfire bolts if the cc is more important at the moment.
I dunno man… got absolutely wrecked last night by a frost mage who’s frostfire bolt (details said it was a DOT?) that was hitting for 900k-1.1mil on crits.
It does! lol. Especially in 2s, when its high dampening and people are running and hiding together and stacking. Maybe you do not notice, because you just cleave them both in these situations, which I hate.
Correct, but its more comfortable for me, it is what I am familiar with and allows me to play at a higher level of play. This is not a me problem. I refuse to adapt, its a blizzard problem giving too many buttons and button bloat, multiple abilities that accomplish the same cotton pickin thing!
When you do 2s carries, control like this so your partner can get away is invaluable!
This is not the only thing, FF is just so garbage. Spamming ice lance is a dirty as playstyle. Should not be in the game. I rambled about this for 35min:
I suggest this fix this: https://rumble.com/v5i5pmy-frostyownz-rambles-for-35-minutes.html
People are sensationalizing the wrong concepts these days. We should not be forced to adapt when its not for the better of a product or industry.
Yea, I may have got some numbers wrong, its 440k frostbolt because I accidentally did not have slick ice, death’s chill and deep shatter, but still even then, those only add a combined 60% if you can guarantee you get them off, 15 of them. The 660k ice lances+80k icicles will outperform 700k frostbolts+icicle only if you are icicle capped, everyday. Also, it is about 5.4 damage per int during icy with full ramp, out of icy its about 3 point something. In DF it was around 12 damage per intellect for frostbolt during icy, I can’t remember what it was outside of icy veins. It gives you a rough idea of the struggles of trying to play the game how it should be played and not how they want you to play.
If they are going to equalize gear in PvP and have an MLG mode, then you must keep the foundation it was built on - perfect RE-CC, wrong times to trinket, no cc breaks, reward hard casting, saving burst, etc. Also bring back deadzones.
I did not include PvE concepts.
I am definitely not a boomer, I know what works and I am able to communicate that because I have been on this planet for almost 36 years. With over 20,000 years of WoW Frostbolt experience, and in another industry I have around 8,000 hours in as well. I have seen these industries go to complete trash and be set back 20+ years in the name of forcing people to adapt, because its “better for the product or industry”. Nope, its these companies doing this in the name of profit lol. 100%.
For instance in WoW these changes, are not better for competitive PvP. At all! Not that an MLG style of play should even be in an MMO…Which is another conversation all in itself.
It was not enough, health pools increased 4.5x and frostbolt damage only increased 2x~. Probably due to the intellect scaling. It needs another major buff, something went wrong with it, when they dropped TWW. He is also hitting lower verse targets, that sit in the middle of the map, due to intellect scaling not being the same, in later seasons, it is not going to scale well… Especially when players get more intellect and more verse lol.
These people getting 1.5M frostbolts, do not do so at 2200mmr like they should be lol. They get there because they are able to ramp up, with good procs, and possibly because the players they are doing this on are stacking less verse than they should be, or are still in greens, I imagine 2v2 participation at lower ratings has a lot of lower geared players. Like you can, but anytime you face a DK or anything with instant cast damage, which is like everything now, it won’t work at higher rating lol.
I get 1.5M frostbolts, but you hit a major wall with that build lol. Even Jahmili, Graycen, Aegis, Pmake, they all 2025cr or less. Not because mage is good or bad, because TWW completey broke 2v2 for organized game play lol. It’s funny because frostbolt spellslinger is superiorly worse than Frostfire build. Nearly every game on ladder is FFB. Typically mage is a 200-250 rating behind #1 spot. Currently its 300+ rating behind #1 spot and you are forced to play FFB build and cleave, instant cast. It feels like crap and its not fun! At all!
Actually I correct myself, only 1 mage is 400 rating behind, the rest are 450+ rating behind. So its not even 300 rating beind the #1 spot in 2s lol. It’s 400-450+.
Usually its only a 200-250 rating behind when the highest player is around 2400. Playing more games will not help with the gap much either. Many of these players already have 200 games+. You are already getting a fairly good picture lol.
Being 400-450 rating behind is so bad, when the cap is only 2400 that is. I would understand if the cap was currently like 2900~, lol. This is as FFB only, forcing people to play that because everyone instant casts and cleaves now, is so bad for the game. Especially with gear normalization like we have now, a fundamental that was built upon the concept of perfect RE-CC, proper burst windows, having good and bad times to medallion, rewarding hard casting. Now these fundamentals all go out the window that gear normalization and MLG style play was built on lol.
