I never said I didn’t want to, you are strawmanning me because you can’t refute what I’m saying. The vast majority of people in anniversary rn are the exact type of people you say are driven from the game. I enjoy the vanilla leveling and I enjoy the end game, but I don’t have NPD so the idea of other people enjoying the game in a way I don’t doesn’t bother me at all.
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This is actually a fantastic argument.
You want to get to 60 as fast as possible so you can have multiple toons. The funniest thing about all of it is that the game’s population is most casuals. When casuals drop out the sweats drop out. The sweats need casuals to make themselves feel better.
People who are boosting I can promise are 100% sweats. That’s the funniest thing about it! The sweatiest players are always looking for a way to cheat. They’re always complaining and wanting more content. It’s this toxic culture that is the issue.
But the thing is they find value in being “better” or killing the casuals. Otherwise, they find no value in the game which is why they drop out when casuals drop out.
And it’s never enough. Having one class isn’t enough, they must level as many as they can, then complain that it’s not alt friendly. They rush to the forums to tell us Classic sucks. They’re fearful blizzard will impose some kind of thing that doesn’t allow them to cheat anymore, because after all they’ve lost their integrity a long time ago.
They probably even think that people who don’t cheat are stupid.
Obviously their approach is ultimately self-defeating. The same toxic players who belittle and insult people because of parse scores, or gear, or spec choice, or whatever end up asking, “Where did everybody go?” 
Having a condescending attitude and acting superior means little when there’s no one left to worship them.
I just find those type of players amusing. It’s so obvious once you understand their mentality why they act as they do. I guarantee that guy I was posting to supports GDKPs. It falls right in line with buying boosts. There’s people who want to play the game, and then there’s players who want the game played for them.
And ironically (or pathetically) they tend to be the most arrogant players, strutting their stuff. How do you not laugh at the absurdity?
Not sure what this has to do with anything I said but I’ll reply anyway.
If raid loggers are not playing because they can’t level and basically don’t play anyway then who cares. IMO good riddance.
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Man I just feel bad for them honestly.
All the joy of playing a game is gone for them. They go from game to game “LOL PWNing” casual players. I’m sure when retailers figured out there was going to be a fresh classic there was a lot of grunting going on.
Arrrgh, uuunhhh eeeee, “We’re going to destroy those NNOOOBS”. >8D. “We’ll truly show them why Classic wow sucks”.
Kind of like those sweaty gnomes that killed ragnaros in like 15 minutes. “We’ll show them how EASY wow vanilla is…”
Then there’s asmongold who like camped flightmasters for like a month, just to grief.
These are players who couldn’t hack it in Retail. So they come here, where they can dominate in easy content alongside more casual players.
And I feel bad for them too. Well, for those who take it to such an extent. There’s nothing wrong with clearing raids and feeling proud. But theres posters here who in every post say things like, “Show your logs!” “I bet ur a gray parser!”
Stuff like that which is really, really sad. I can think of a certain prolific gnome poster here who…I just want to give him a hug when he posts because he clearly has nothing going on in his life other than this video game.
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That is trolling; don’t get baited by it.
I’m not gonna go through the level grind again without boosting and there isn’t anything you can do to stop me :^)
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Dude classic is like… a casual paradise. Casuals could spend YEARS doing professions, leveling different classes, raiding. It’s the perfect game for players who aren’t serious raiders. A classic player could raid 1 night a week and be perfectly happy.
Perhaps dabble in pvp for an hour two on a wednesday nght. Sells crafted goods ya know, work on their first alt for a year or two.
These players need a space too. Everyone doesn’t enjoy the rat race. And the players that don’t enjoy the rat race will rebel against it. It will happen time and time again which is basically the root of the issues that we have here in world of warcraft today.
You ever played those “idle rpg” games?
There’s literally every other version of WoW where players can just skip leveling. But for players to choose to play on Vanilla realms and not want to level their characters makes zero sense.
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YES. You are spot on… but it’s because they want to follow the casuals… the sweats go where the casuals go.
So therefore it doesn’t matter what you do to the sweats they will complain. What matters is retaining the casuals.
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I’ve said this very thing in the past. Blizzard tries to cater to the wrong players. The Sweatlords will play no matter what. It’s the casuals they need to appeal to. And yet those are the players they drive away.
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A majority of WoW players have completely abandoned what makes MMORPGs great. No one cares about the open world or the game itself. It’s just barbie doll dress up preraid farm. WCL is more important than your guilds ability to compete in the open world. Layers, chronoboon, charity ranking, anything and everything to assist the anti-social weirdos who hate the game they’re playing to not have to try at all.
I’m pretty sure people rush prebis so that they can be more effective while playing; not simply as a means to raid-log sooner.
Many players view the personal progress of their character from a standpoint of min/maxing stats with whatever available playtime they do have. Grinding prebis just happens to be a fun activity for a fresh-60 who’s going to be running dungeons for attunement quests anyway.