Blizzard potentially losing some of their casual playerbase in SL

[Rebhe-whisperwind]

Some randomness is good and is expected, but going for weeks or even months with no upgrades leaves little reason to keep playing.

[Jalen-grobbulus]

@Walburgha-aerie-peak

People say they hate the randomness, but it is that exact randomness that gives that moment of joy when something you want drops.

@Walburgha-aerie-peak

I sort of hope they do it, because when people start dropping out of raiding because they’re done, those who remain are going to realize that keeping people motivated to engage the content repeatedly requires randomness.

Sooooo then why does it work in Classic?

[Walburgha-aerie-peak (Walburgha)]

It didn’t work well in classic. I was there raiding molten core, and then blackwing lair. You needed stupid DKP systems to keep players coming back. Even if they weren’t getting loot, they were building up points for the next raid.

For those that did it for the fun and comraderie, it didn’t matter, but if that’s you, then none of this matters anyway, so…

[Shelldin-zuljin (Shelldin)]

if they’re truly casual they probably aren’t too broken up about not have the very best gear. As a casual myself, im happy about it. TF/WF created this weird pressure where I felt like I had to do everything because there was a slight chance i’d get something incredible.

No matter how strong or weak my gear is, i’d rather be at that level because of my own time and skill and not some multi layered RNG craziness.

(yes i realize there’s still luck involved with “normal” loot but it can hardly compare with the rng of tf/wf or corruption)

[Jalen-grobbulus]

I mean we use loot council and have a full 40 man group. Some guilds on our realm have multiple raid teams. We get excited when power items drop because they don’t drop too often for us. And it’s gonna be a mad house when BRE finally drops. If it was as big of a failure as people claimed it was going to be then people wouldn’t be playing it and it would be hard to find a living, thriving community.

[Trivenom-dalaran]

@Verarielle-hellscream

You will likely still be required to group up for the really high level floors in Torghast

Not really, have you seen the alpha footage? I’m personally a pretty big fan of where it is right now. It looks super fun and a lot of others believe that as well.

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[Hardwire-velen (Hardwire)]

@Lunkel-garona

They could potentially be kneecapping themselves in terms of some activities losing their replayability by players not endless rerunning certain content over and over hoping to hit the jackpot

I guarantee that if players aren’t behaving the way they want, they’ll sweeten the pot somehow.

Just like they said they wouldn’t put mounts in paragon caches in BfA, but then in 8.2 suddenly mounts are dropping from paragon caches again, if replayability becomes an issue we’ll see some sort of forging system return.

[Khosumi-illidan]

@Walburgha-aerie-peak

I think what many raiders think they want is for bosses to have completely predictable drops.

You thought wrong.

[Evë-illidan]

@Trivenom-dalaran

Specific reason: No titanforging/warforging in SL and, apparantly, nothing to replace it.

God forbid. A goal. an endgame. Stop the presses.

Fun fact: Many play this game to accomplish a goal. When you’ve got an endless hamster wheel people don’t even begin to play because they don’t want to even start a game with out an end.

[Rebhe-whisperwind]

Blizzard is the expert of thinking they know what other people are thinking; take it from them, if you have to think about it then you’re probably doing it wrong.

[Hateorade-kiljaeden (Hateorade)]

@Evë-illidan

Many play this game to accomplish a goal. When you’ve got an endless hamster wheel people don’t even begin to play because they don’t want to even start a game with out an end.

Then go play a different game.

I find it quite silly to work so hard to fully gear your character only to then go, “I’m done.”

I’d rather hitting a max-ish ilvl be the floor, then have content that is much more challenging.

[Puntarella-stormrage]

WF and TF are garbage. If you want to get better, work harder, hone your skills and try moving into the next Mythic plus level or raid tier for better gear.

[Verarielle-hellscream]

Yeah Sabbia stop being a jerk. /s

[Annaillusion-moon-guard]

@Nallycott-wyrmrest-accord

Can slap in the face stay a meme? I’m so happy it is a meme now.

Considering it’s friday? It’s extre may may today, thuper face slaps.

[Mastadôn-thrall (Mastadôn)]

@Trivenom-dalaran

Specific reason: No titanforging/warforging in SL

Good riddance.

@Trivenom-dalaran

Reason this is a problem: top gear will once again be gated behind guilds as you cannot pug mythic raids in current content but can pug heroic raids.

Heroic raid gear is more than enough for a casual player to do just about anything in the game. Also, don’t forget about mythic plus gear. There are gearing avenues available.

[Misery-darrowmere (Misery)]

Another take on this, is that there will be literally no point ever in doing content that isnt 100% the most optimal content you can be doing, which will all be time-gated.

Isnt this just going to exacerbate raidlogging?

[Aveldruid-frostmourne]

I’m real life do you only do things that are optimal or compulsory? I don’t see why this would be different.
Will some people raid log? Sure. Is this a problem? Not if it’s how they want to play.

[Misery-darrowmere (Misery)]

I dont think raidlogging is the best case scenario for any wow player.

also

@Aveldruid-frostmourne

I’m real life do you only do things that are optimal or compulsory?

This has been a beaten argument since Nov 24, 2004. As a group people do as they’re incentivized to do. Its not the only element of game design but its very relevant and not a novel concept.

[Sabbia-moonrunner (Sabbia)]

@Misery-darrowmere

I dont think raidlogging is the best case scenario for any wow player.

Why?

[Misery-darrowmere (Misery)]

Well presumably you want your players to feel like they want to play your game more than once a week.

When players log in only once a week to WoW, and then spend their free time for the rest of the week playing Overwatch for example, it says something pretty distasteful about WoW imo.