Sorry to burst your Divine Shield, but 3 rotational abilities that can 100-0 a player while they PvE you in a bubble every 5 minutes is very boring. Also Lay on Hands needs to trigger Forbearance as God intended. You can’t give an unkiteable live god AoE burst and a brand new rotation that circumvents the 100% attack speed nerf while bubbled. I know Aggrend was maining pally when all these decisions were made but he’s maining boomie now so lets go back and fix this so we don’t have a broken meta indefinitely. Phase 3 is DoA without these changes. It helps Alliance even more than Horde tbh bc Pally brain rot is a real syndrome that should be documented; they are so used to abusing their 5 min CDs to feel skilled that without them they just AFK bgs and throw the rest of the game. Which wouldn’t be so much of a problem except everyone and their mom is Ret right now and Alliance can’t win AB when half their team is pink and AFKing at Stables after they expended every possible CD to secure BS. Even worse, the same AFKers will then come to the forums and say the only difference is Horde has Shamans, which somehow never makes a difference on the initial clash when Horde roll over for the unduly superior Paladin class. Either nerf Pallys or give Shamans shattering throw so we can do your job for you.
If LoH won’t apply Forbearance and they can now SPAM active abilities in their immunity (and likely to get even more over time/ wings) just accept Blizzard favors Alliance. Anyone with a remotely unbiased sense of game balance wouldn’t have let that fly past their internal alpha test. Rets are busted. And they do AFK every BG after the first Horde/ Alliance clash, and still win 1/2 the time since they can easily secure 4 bases and Horde just play catch-up until they lose while Rets watch Netflix.
If the Devs nerf Ret, I want big buffs to Holy Paladin.
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Paladin is always pretty spicy mid game and pre release. Probably secret changes inc. 
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You know when a thread is good because rets usually love jumping in unison to claim BS and try their darndest to move the nerf needle off of them, but are too terrified to bump a thread when the real issues are spelled out for everyone to see.
As a paladin myself I’ll admit, the runes we got in phase 2 are def broken. Our toolkit was already good enough, just imagine how OP we’ll be in phase 3
Probably completely nerfed into the ground to be rock bottom. I’ll straight unsub from this game if they nerf paladins ever more. And TWW? Yea. Can’t wait to be a bad class once again. So then I roll in my other classes there instead.
Bubble is certainly hard to play around, but it’s a powerful 5 minute CD. In that window, a paladin has to decide whether to do damage or hardcast a heal. Besides bubble, if you actually let a Ret catch you, you deserve to die.
This has always been true in classic. If ANY melee can actually catch and have uptime on a target, that melee can and should do big damage. Warriors, rogues, shaman, ferals, and now melee hunters all operate this way.
Stun is strong but can be trinketed, dispelled, grounded, FAP’d, dispersioned, etc. Frankly, the counterplay against a Ret isn’t that difficult. They have good burst but they’re very one-dimensional
how bad at the game do you have to be to complain about a class being able to beat you once every 5 minutes lmao
stopped there. Ignorance should not be rewarded with attention.
Take care.
The pathological hatred people have toward paladins — particularly shaman players (which I’m sure is your main) — is truly the brain rot tbh
Is born of Paladins being the laziest PvP class elevating the most poo players to thinking they’re good
Which usually results in things like this:
Enhance shaman isn’t a cute little meme victim in PvP right now, and the Paladin players very used to just wrecking them are now malding.
The plate wearing self healing class with 2 stuns and an invulnerability bubble it can fight from is mad that it isn’t just stacking Shaman bodies next to the warrior bodies.
It’s the bubble that makes people seethe. From my own experience if Divine Storm gets parried, that’s it I’m an NPC for the next ten seconds. If Exorcism gets resisted, that’s it I’m an NPC for the next fifteen seconds. We’re the lowest sustained damage in the game by facts, not anecdotal tears from dying in PvP to a 1v1. If the burst doesn’t do the job then we’re done.
It’s all ego. These are people who feel they should be able to freely take out Paladins like bugs, and lose their hair follicles when they cannot.
25 Enhancement Shaman mains came to like the OP after a Paladin bubble stopped their kill streak. 
I guess it’s a good thing PvP is a burst meta right now, isn’t it.
(And you have a 5 second stun in a Burst meta…as well as an invulnerability bubble…in a Burst Meta…and occasionally an instant full heal, in a burst meta…and a 5 second ranged freezing trap)
At least Shamans own that double rockbiter/WoE is very strong instead of just pretending everyone else sucks.
(We all know it’s just paladins that suck…and I say this as a person who started as a pally main and thought I was good at PvP…)
Killing during CC is lazy? What about rogues — they’re the poster child for attracting low skill players that like to grief other players. Sure, paladins generally have a low skill ceiling — that’s always been the case. So what’s your solution then? Give paladins zero buttons to press so they can, um, be more lazy?
You’re right, enhancement shamans are overtuned. I don’t think paladins specifically are upset about the damage throughput of shamans — all alliance players are.
Gonna have to nerf Shamans first
Rogues have stuns…and if they don’t kill or nearly kill in that stun they have to vanish and reset the fight altogether, or abandon the fight altogether.
They don’t have heals
They don’t have invulnerability (Which incidentally breaks stuns)
They don’t have LoH
They literally just have stuns to fight in, and CCs for resets.
They’re not upset about Shaman damage (Unless they’re incredibly un-selfaware) They’re upset that Shamans are the other melee that lasts long enough to kill them, alongside Paladins.
Priest with 2 dots is the death of a rogue. Period. Damage isn’t what they’re mad about.
They’re mad that Shamans last long enough to kill them…same with Paladins.
(Hence this topic.)
huh? Wait do we have Avengers Shield or Exorcism? No Exorcism no burst. No Avengers Shield no slows. Your ignorance is showing son. Even hiding behind an alt.