The meta to maximize honor is to basically avoid PvP and kill lieutenants. This is quite detrimental to the ranking grind and its very discouraging.
I’d like to make the grind with actual strategy and coordination with my teammates.
I suggest nerfing the honor reward for killing lieutenants by at least half.
Thanks!
Yeah agreed, I think WSG should at least be viable. At the moment the Honor farm has basically come down to teams of people being able to coordinate AV queues to get into the same game for 8 minute / 3000 honor wins.
BLIZZARD, PLEASE NERF AV HONOR TO MAKE WSG VIABLE!
THERE IS ONLY ONE #NOCHANGES WAY TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM
We are using 1.12 AV
We should be using 1.12 Honor Decay on HKs (10% reduction instead of 25%)
This would do 2 major things
WSG would be amazing for honor as it would allow the massive bulk of honor gained to be from HKs and your honor would be obtained in groups of 1-10 players instead of 20-40 person raids splitting it in AV.
Even AV turtles would be rewarding as you would be getting 1/3rd or 1/2 of the honor per hour instead of it being a 0 honor prison like it is right now.
TLDR - Blizzard has a #nochanges solution to this problem.
I think it’s laughable that they are a mage and rogue. Of course they want honor from killing people to be worth more than pve’ing in AV.
What about the other non-op player killing classes do? Just bow down to your mage/rogue mightyness?
Nochanges is a joke.
Personally I am sick of the current tactic. I remember AV match’s use to take up to a hour at times and ended in more honor. Now not only are the alliance winning nearly every match, but they are now generating more bonus honor then the horde by actually playing the map as it was intended.
To start, I’d like to say that I know in order to be competitive in the top brackets you will have to put a ridiculous amount of time into the grind.
But I think it is important to distinguish strong PvP’rs from weaker PvP’rs with rewards in way of honor.
Currently, in order to make the grind to ranks 12 - 14 all you need to do is dedicate the most TIME without necessarily demonstrating any sort of PvP skill.
If WSG was competitive in the amount of honor earned, those who can coordinate a great premade and demonstrate the most skill to defeat the opposing team will rightfully be rewarded with high standings in the top brackets.
THIS IS HOW IT SHOULD BE!
Right now… If you have the most time on your hands, you will be in the top brackets.
Not to mention my initial point at the start of this thread that AV in the current state might as well be considered a PvE raid with slight interaction with the opposite faction… This cannot be the standard for maximizing the amount of honor earned.
WSG premades are better honor than AV; these people complaining are clueless. Half my AVs were 1 hour turtles.
Then you are absolutely doing it wrong.
Congratulations. You now understand the Vanilla pvp system, and why Blizzard completely overhauled it for TBC.
I mean to be fair it is 1.12 AV with the old honor ranking system. The two were not meant to go hand in hand, by the time we had this AV you could just buy highwarlord/ GM gear with honor currency.
If you can recall back to vanilla, you only did AV for the rep and you queue’d WSG/AB for honor.
They made this change because of the same exact issues people are pointing out right now.
History is literally repeating itself.
Spending the most time for rank 14 was the same in vanilla just back then people shared accounts. Now it will just be people with the most time.
welcome to 2004. WSG was never meant to be high honor.
Edit: simply because you enter WSG at lv19.
Right now no. Just join av, kill NPCs, game over in 7 mins with more honor too.
Convince the rest of the raid to do it right so this post makes sense.
even if its nerfed av is better then wsg.there are less cheating holes and a faster queue time and the matches are faster.
i wont play wsg because of the premades and exploiting.
You should have rerolled until you got +charisma so your teamates would follow your lead.
That’s how it always worked.
Skill always helped, but the overwhelming limiting factor was time.
There were a lot of HWL/GM that got a hard reality check with arenas.
wsg is gross. Forget them turtle matches.