Blizzard, please allow for PvP --> PvE transfers, asap

You dirty traitorous cow ! Get into those fields and fight for every inch of grass!

This entire response is incredibly illogical, and I’ll explain why.

First of all, my decision to transfer doesn’t affect other players, because I’ve decided to take a break and not play anyways. So, you’re immediately wrong. Second, even if Blizz allows for people in general to transfer, that’s something that already is happening, but in different circumstances. Transfers are already taking place, which negates the claim that “no change is intrinsically good.”

So does not making change. That, too, affects everyone. This isn’t a valid point, but is merely a slippery slope fallacy. “If Blizz makes one change, then they’ll make another, and another, and then we have Retail!!!” This doesn’t logically follow.

Uhhh, I never said I “wanted it now,” I said I wanted it asap. Just like any customer with any product or service, I’d like to have it sooner than later, but I never said “give me now!”

This is more illogical nonsense. Apply it to any societal matter, and you’ll see how silly it is. “But, if we allow people to have publicly funded healthcare that doesn’t cost the recipient, what about all those people who had to pay!” In essence, nothing would ever happen with this logic.

Then I would just consider you an unreasonable person, considering that my ability to transfer affect you not at all.

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Thanks for pointing this out. Since this is the case, it shows that OP is not willing to compromise and my first post stands.

Except my max level character is a 60 mage, and I have a 52 hunter. Your point doesn’t stand, at all.

If all you want to do is prove me wrong, then we are not having a conversation at all.

Here, you can always be right, in any conversation we ever have. You win.

Sororitygirl’s post stated that she is playing PVE until either transfers or Battlegrounds comes out.

You haven’t taking responsibility for your mistake as you have stated. And what you are complaining about is wanting to transfer now.

You made claims. They weren’t accurate, nor true. So, you were wrong.

Don’t know what happens in your reality when people make an argument for someone to not get what they’re after, but in my reality there is a discussion about logic, and whether yours holds up. I guess some people believe that “everyone is entitled to their opinion” while simultaneously believing that “all opinions are equal,” but that doesn’t seem to work for anyone who understands the disastrous nature of these two beliefs.

Rerolling and playing while wanting an out for their other characters is the definition of compromising.

If he sat on his 60, didn’t reroll at all and just spammed threads, that would not be compromise.

You wanting nothing else than a reroll and not willing to even entertain a 1 way ticket (even if paid) to a PvE server forever is not compromise.

Fair enough. I suppose I read the “you” in “you’re immediately wrong” with emphasis, and overreacted, prior to reading anything you actually typed beyond that.

It has nothing to do with people growing up… This is the way our world is now. Its quite disgusting. How dare you speak peasant!

I have no idea what you’re talking about, at this point. Please, just stop replying to my posts, as they have nothing to do with you.

Syrial is clearly trolling as it’s a low level retail alt.

You may be right there. Perhaps that is all it is. For some reason, I appear to be thinking that it’s not “if they make one change, they’ll make another, and another,” but rather, “if they give in to the whiners now,” but that’s just rewording the same thing.

That’s true.

Fair enough. I don’t think we have any reason to believe that we won’t ever get transfers, and as Zinqf pointed out above, I don’t think we really have much of an idea as to when we should have them, or really what should means.

So, I suppose a good question would be whether it would make sense and/or be better to implement a system for paid transfers before or after BGs come out. And, I’m not sure I have much insight to offer there.

This reminded me of that quote from George Bernard Shaw,

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.

And in that context, perhaps I’m not worthy of your compliment, in this case :slight_smile:

It’s a nice sentiment, but it ultimately isn’t true. If it were, the world would never change. Humans have bent the world to their will, and from a social standpoint, humans have always fought for ideals, rather than succumbing to “what is.”

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.

The ideology of mass genocide and war on the human condition by way of the strategy of brainwashing and deception.

That quote you used sums it up right there. There’s a difference between progress and Socialism/Communism.

The ideology is filled with nice sentiments.

I still think paid transfers shouldn’t happen yet. The faction disparity is still too high. Maybe open faction locked free transfers to PvE servers but that’s it for now.

Interesting. I suppose I don’t know the context within which the quote is used, as I’ve always assumed it to mean that progress is made by being unreasonable.

I’ve also learned that many things that seem reasonable are simply not true. Or at least, you can reason through something, but then when you actually develop a system and collect data, it is different from what you would have predicted, and often in unreasonable ways.

I had no idea that this quote would be considered trying to push an ideology of adapting oneself to the world! That’s certainly never how I’ve interpreted it.

You can also learn that you can gain progress through reasonable means. Reasonable does NOT mean the opposite of progress like these guys want to tell you.

This type of quote is an activist quote, their goal is to be unreasonable to accelerate progress of their ideology. It’s up to a reasonable person to assess these things before moving forward. A reasonable person still moves forward.

The ideology of adapting the world to oneself is the core philosophy supporting Authoritarian Government.

Retail is even more poorly designed than this fustercluck.

Oh, haha yeah I could see how that could be the case. I guess I should be careful about what I quote, and actually study up on the history and context. :slight_smile:

Good to know. Thanks for pointing out some study material for the weekend :+1: