Blizzard on mount equipment: *Running wild, Druid Travel Forms will not benefit*

[Rhielle-sentinels (Rhielle)]

I’ll bite one last time before bed.

Then don’t say anything a druid can do, I can do, because its clearly not true.

Learn to read. We’re talking about mounts.

Also, aw, hiding on an alt now? Cute.

Don’t even know what this means. I’ve been posting on this character since the new forums launched, because this is what it started me with and I wasn’t farming forum rep over again.

Can’t come up with an argument, so now we make personal attacks that are irrelevant and make no sense?

Tavel form is the most op mount but thats never enough I guess

Says the DK. So tired of this bs.

[Iggyz-laughing-skull]

Says the DK. So tired of this bs.

Telling me not to complain about classes yet you are complaining about one.
O M E G A L U L.

Learn to read. We’re talking about mounts.

Learn to contextualize.

[Anchor-runetotem]

Mounted gathering: all of the Druids Travel Forma have this.

Aquatic Mount: activates instantly upon entering water deep enough to swim while in Travel Form. Activates automatically if submerged while in Flight Form. Also, so what if it’s slower than your ground travel, it is still useful. And despite what you believe, A LOT of druids make regular use of it. It is instantaneous, unless you’re going to be traveling across a LOT of water, it’s usually faster to just dive on in while in travel form and get your aquatic form speed. It also includes built in waterbreathing… well look at that, yet another automatic benefit.

Combat Cast: it may be slower but it automatically returns to full ground speed a few seconds after exiting combat. Flight is unavailable in combat because it is OP.

Daze Resistant: unless your flying Daze just drops you to combat speed in Druid Form. Daze dismount while flying is to be expected, and quite frankly if Druids got Daze Resist while flying automatically it would be very OP. Also, being attacked while running through mobs doesn’t always trigger combat speed for Druids, it’s only after they get Dazed, attack back, stop running, or are Continually attacked.

Mounted gathering: only works for herbing. Mining makes you shift out and skinning, well you probably didnt kill anything in travel form worth skinning. And it only halfway works for archaeology.

Aquatic mount: its broken half the time and doesnt properly shift you. If done in combat it slows you to combat speeds. The waterbreathing is nice but for any significantly long trip over water mounted water walking wins hands down. Only super usefull for the once an expansion underwater quest.

Combat casts: does not return you to travel speed unless you shift out and back. Even this doesnt work quickly enough sometimes as combat is over and wont activate travel speed in time. This often leads to being in combat again before it can be properly used.

Daze resistant: this one is kinda misunderstood. Its not daze proof. We just dont lose travel speed for entering combat, similar to mounts currently. But we dont get forced into combat speed either unless we shift. We can still be dazed unless in guardian spec and it can chain as well increasing the damage we take when not in guardian.

Hope this clears up a few things.

[Caelin-boulderfist (Caelin)]

Fine, make druid travel forms work exactly as mounts. You can only cast while out of combat and after a 1.5 second channel. You can not gather while in travel form and no other benefits are inferred for to you while in travel form.

Then you will have your own personal mount mode and I would agree that the mount equipment should apply.

[Anchor-runetotem]

No. Keep it as it is. Druids dont need the gear system for their travel forms.

[anon25946539]

Says the DK. So tired of this bs.

Played a druid for years can confirm still OP

[Waraila-burning-blade (Waraila)]

o. Keep it as it is. Druids dont need the gear system for their travel forms.

I would be fine with it except for 1 thing… thanks to this change we can now be knocked out of flight form by players. This is something that has NEVER been the case before… People with actual mounts can put on mount equipment to prevent them falling to their deaths. Druids, can’t.

So either flight form is a mount to be affected by the same things mounts are, including dismounting and equipment… or it’s a form and shouldn’t be affected by either.

Simple as.

[Ehrin-kirin-tor]

Is slower and useless and no one uses it. Already been over that.

You can repeat that a million times until your blue in the face… you’re still wrong. It may be slower, but it is used all the time by thousands of druid players.

This is wrong. You have to shift out and back in for that to work.

Nope. You only have to shift out and back to get into flight form. It takes a couple seconds for mounted speed to return, it’s not instantly upon leaving combat. If you are so impatient that you want it back instantly, then disabling and reinabling is extremely quick anyways.

And barding exists for everyone else.

And druid’s DON’T NEED barding for this benefit, it is AUTOMATICALLY GIVEN TO THEM.

This is such a fail argument, because no one needs this for out of combat.

It is the ONLY weak point on the druid flight form, the ONLY ONE. Yes, other classes have better options for this that work in combat, so what, it is PART OF THE WHOLE that is Travel Form.

And yet DKs run around with water walking, faster mount speed AND equipment.

DKs have limited waterwalking that they have to manually cast. Passive bonus mount speed, sure… Paladin’s have that too, it’s honestly not that impressive.

The ONLY argument that needs to be made is that it gathers like the Sky Golem. This fake news over everything else is pointless and a bad argument when other classes, potions, etc. make almost everything work the same.

Take a step back and look at the ability as a whole, and accept the facts. Druids get ALL of those benefits WITHOUT NEEDING EXTRA ABILITIES. It is all wrapped into one single ability. They don’t need to use an item or cast another spell to add those perks to their travel form like every other class does for their mounts. They just get them automatically on their travel form.

[Metrohaha-firetree (Metrohaha)]

Best way to look at this is if its in the mount page, its a mount. Plain and simple.
If its not, dont expect it to benefit from the system.

You can rationalize reasons for or against specific mount-like things but I feel this is the main thing to consider. Its possibly a technical thing first and foremost.

[Waraila-burning-blade (Waraila)]

Best way to look at this is if its in the mount page, its a mount. Plain and simple.
If its not, dont expect it to benefit from the system

But by the same token, if flight form is not classed as a mount… why can we be ‘dismounted’ by other players when in that form?

Double standards much? And if we can be dismounted in flight form, which is a shapeshift… why can’t we benefit from the counter that other players on mounts can benefit from… aka the parachute?

[Anchor-runetotem]

This is wrong. You have to shift out and back in for that to work.

Nope. You only have to shift out and back to get into flight form. It takes a couple seconds for mounted speed to return, it’s not instantly upon leaving combat. If you are so impatient that you want it back instantly, then disabling and reinabling is extremely quick anyways.

Im not in combat. It should be instant. I understand the hardware limitations that make this not doable however. And no. If I switch to mounted form in combat and run away and leave combat, I have to shift again to get mounted speed back. Has been like this for as long as I can remember. And shifting still suffers from the gcd. So while I dont pay the 1.5 second cast up from, I still pay for the cast with a global, which makes a difference if I want to use my leap or what have you.

[Lightfang-elune (Lightfang)]

Combat Cast: it may be slower but it automatically returns to full ground speed a few seconds after exiting combat.

I’m almost 95% certain you have to recast travel form out of combat to get back to full speed

[Metrohaha-firetree (Metrohaha)]

Like I said. Mount pane.

Those types of things have happened because of the prevalence of using the druid forms, but it doesn’t change the fundamental facts of the system.

[Lightfang-elune (Lightfang)]

So I can shapeshift out of roots too?
I can go bear form as a healer and take 0 damage?
I can do more damage as a healer than a normal dps class in a dungeon?
And more healing as hybrid than a healer?
I can gather herbs while “mounted” without having to purchase a special mount?

There is items to get you out of roots actually lol.

You are also going off-subject bringing up dps and other subjects.

Last I checked as well, shadow priest were top dps in mythic raiding currently, and also have 2 DR’s, so that’s out the argument as well.

Also, if you are getting out dpsed by an rdruid… then I think I already know what your problem is

Also… you can gather stuff while mounted with a profession item

Best way to look at this is if its in the mount page, its a mount.

Again, if that’s the case, we never received a mount from our Order Hall Campaign.

Ya’ll get to gather stuff without dismounting for free

You get to make portals and teleport for free…? So I don’t see your point.

[Chroesire-bleeding-hollow (Chroesire)]

Ya’ll get to gather stuff without dismounting for free, I’d say that’s a huge enough perk… especially once flying is enabled.

The only way I could see equipment working on druids is if it meant forfeiting the gathering perk OR adding a cast time to travel forms.

[Ehrin-kirin-tor]

Im not in combat. It should be instant. I understand the hardware limitations that make this not doable however. And no. If I switch to mounted form in combat and run away and leave combat, I have to shift again to get mounted speed back. Has been like this for as long as I can remember. And shifting still suffers from the gcd. So while I dont pay the 1.5 second cast up from, I still pay for the cast with a global, which makes a difference if I want to use my leap or what have you.

I’m almost 95% certain you have to recast travel form out of combat to get back to full speed

I’ve had no issues with it returning to combat speed on its own whether I was pulled into combat, or if I activated it while still in combat, after the built in wait period. The only issue with this that I have experienced is an issue that is plaguing the game as a whole this expansion, the glitch that has been causing the game to leave you stuck in combat for hours on end after combat has ended unless you reload UI, logout, die, change zones, or find that one elusive enemy that aggroed on you from across the map but never actually attacked or moved or showed any signs of aggro at all and kill it.

[Chroesire-bleeding-hollow (Chroesire)]

You get to make portals and teleport for free…? So I don’t see your point.

There is no class-independent version of portals, it’s quite a different situation. Travel forms can act as full replacements for traditional mounts and are already better than traditional mounts, and now you’re wanting to make them an even bigger improvement over traditional mounts?

No, that doesn’t make sense. You want mount equipment, ride a mount like everybody else.

[Anobia-scarlet-crusade (Anobia)]

Surely you are kidding me. The in-combat mount speed is still more than enough to outrun anything that is chasing you.

If you think you’re being punished because you play a druid, maybe you might try something else that gives you more mount options. I think the druid travel form is the best thing going right now. I wish more of my characters could take advantage of them.

Oh, and you can always choose to mount up like everyone else and forget about your travel form. That would make you more happy maybe. Oh, but mounts can’t even be summoned while in combat so you will be running at normal 0% run speed until you finally clear the aggro unless you run into something else. Sheesh.

Fair is not destroying the water walking on the strider.

[Lightfang-elune (Lightfang)]

There is no class-independent version of travel forms?

If it is made to act like a replacement to mounts, then it should work like mounts.

Also, you already can interact with items on mounts with profession items, so that point is null as well.

Druids offer nothing unique anymore other than instant casted forms.

The in-combat mount speed is still more than enough to outrun anything that is chasing you.

Woah… that is so cool!

It’s too bad it does not run at full mount speed in combat it runs about as fast as feral cat form

[Chroesire-bleeding-hollow (Chroesire)]

If it is made to act like a replacement to mounts, then it should work like mounts.

Yes, but only if travel form is a 1:1 functionality mirror to traditional mounts, and they’re not. 1:1 functionality with mounts would mean giving up in-form gathering and the other perks that come with travel form, and I don’t think you want that.

If you want equipment to affect travel forms, travel forms have to function exactly the same as mounts. Otherwise, it’s crazy unbalanced.