Okay sealion.
So then how do you know thatâs the cause for him going unbanned? Is that something you just made up?
Iâve never actually said it wasnât a grief. My point is that you canât prove it was. Does this nuance escape you?
Questions you canât answer =/= sea-lioning. Thatâs just you not having a strong argument because it largely relies on conspiracies that youâve made up in your head about how Blizzard works and for some unrelated reason, how the criminal justice system works.
airplane posting is kino 
No one can answer the question of why Blizzard didnât ban him except for Blizzard.
You can prove it was. Anyone would 2 working brain cells could. He pulled it the right way and then clearly switched directions and when someone tried to get it away from the melee he mocking blowed to pull it back. Thatâs not confusion, thatâs intentional griefing.
I donât care if he is banned or not, I found it funny. Blizzard has never been consistent about banning so their inaction proves nothing. Plus itâs a softcore server so meh, HC âEliteâ already appealed (to themselves) lol and that death doesnât count for them.
I would hope on a HC server he would be banned quickly, but hey, counting on Blizz to properly allocate resources to policing their game is like wishing for a pony.
Youâre up sealion.
Except you did right here.
Are you already backtracking this now?
So do it. If thatâs the case, why hasnât Blizzard banned him yet? If itâs so easily provable?
He could easily claim that he got the corners mixed up. Obviously heâs a tank so if heâs losing aggro heâs going to do what he can to regain aggro. So no, your explanation doesnât make any sense at all.
He acted in the exact same manner as someone would have had they legitimately gotten the corners confused and mixed up, which has happened in numerous runs throughout WoWâs existience. So again, I ask, how do you prove he didnât just get the corners mixed up?
Your explanation fails which is why heâs not been banned. You can blame it on whatever conspiracies you have about Blizzard and criminal justice youâd like, but they are all unfounded and dismissed as soon as we look at other hardcore griefers that got banned within HOURS of their grief.
Hilarious considering theyâve already banned people for griefing non-official hardcore. Is this what weâre doing now? Just ignoring facts to hold true to our made up conspiracies?
How come they have the resources to police those griefers but not this very high profile grief that you claim is very easily provable as a grief? Do you see how none of your assertions are adding up?
Sealion does not mean someone thatâs pointed out the failure of your argument.
He is innocent because Blizzardâs infamously mercurial moderation hasnât acted yet isnât the airtight argument you think it is.
No one who has ever set foot in Naxx can watch that video in good faith and think someone who has managed to raid in Hardcore up to that point did that accidentally. But hey, you do you sealion. (And yes, sealioning is bad faith âdebatingâ in order to troll. Thatâs you.)
The griefer gave what the community wanted to see for the past 8 months.
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Then explain to me why other hardcore griefers got banned in hours of their grief but itâs been days and nothing on this guy yet, despite this being the most high profile grief and as you claim, âeasily provableâ? If itâs so âeasily provableâ, why would they need to allocate that many resources at all?
Iâve asked these questions before. You canât answer them because the answers reveal that your argument is completely conspiratorial and you have no actual idea how Blizzardâs moderation operates.
Why canât you prove it then?
Except I havenât done that. Iâm not the one making things up and pushing conspiracies about structures I have little understanding of. All Iâve done so far is reveal how your argument doesnât make sense and relies on things youâve made up. Allow me to bring our friend Montoya back:
Told you dude⌠Sealions.
No rebuttal at all except further name-calling and incorrect usage of words? Iâll take this as a concession of your points then.
âVery well, we shall resume in an hourâ
I donât see how blizz can stop a sleeper agent that plays the long game and does something like this from ever happening.
I mean, the guilds themselves can mitigate it by not allowing someone with a long reputation of being a griefing troll tank the most griefable of all the bosses in Naxx.
Youâre right they need to reward that man.
That was the funniest thing I have seen in wow in ages.
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Owns is a regular forum poster (like I am), for a LONG time. Has had their own opinions, just as much as everyone else. Though inconsistent with those opinions, opinions none the less.
Thatâs why the idea of Hardcore was dead to me, once I thought about it.
It doesnât lend itself to multiplayer well.
Itâs not like Diablo where youâre alone all the time.
Itâs a fun idea in a vaccuum but once you factor in other people, thereâs no way to prevent bad faith actors.
Itâs sad, because more are going to follow this guyâs example until no one wants to play Hardcore.
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This is a double edge sword no matter which way you look at it.
On one hand, do I think T grieved them hard? I personally do. Has a grief like this been done by him before? Yes. However this is where the hard part happens.
Unlike a 5v5 Moba platform where such rules are enforced, there really isnât much wiggle room for Blizzard to ban this guy. The only stand they got is this was a huge negative impact on the community. Itâs almost impossible to say this was an accident, if you really dig into the the odds of the the situation and looking at it from people who know the areas/dungeons/wow runs in general.
If they donât bring back the characters of the HC that were lost, I would still impose an additional ruling by Blizzard that can be done by a case by case, that someone willing tried to wipe a group.
This isnât a Player vs Player situation with PK. If you want to build a case against him if you canât use the griefing. You can even through he abused a MOBâs Ability to kill other players.
There has been historical cases where people have pulled MOBS out of their zones to kill low level players. (This was all done before spawn and despawning areas were created)
He knew he was going into the wrong corner, he can play the Opps card but itâs clear as day even from the start he saw everyone in the other corners.