MoP destro had a green fel aura and unique playstyle.
MoP affliction’s DoTs had actual damage and threat behind them.
MoP Demo had a unique and mobile playstyle where you turned into a demon and leaped around with special and unique spells.
What happened to those playstyles?
Fire Mage took our mobility and even deals more initial damage with it’s greater pyroblasts. They even gave them our flame aura.
Affliction has been oversimplified and nerfed into the ground.
Demon hunters have entirely taken over our demo spec and we got to play around with a spec that specializes in summoning demons. After legion even that playstyle got oversimplfied.
Give us back burning embers and give us back our fel aura.
Give us back a strong affliction spec
Give us back old demo or give us back our fun abilities that we had in legion.
It feels like the spec i used to play has been dismantled and turned into a conglomerate of random spells and abilities.
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Old Demo was always that, they just accidentally made it fun and well-designed in MoP/WoD.
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Not at all. Demo was tanky and fun. Youd be a caster trying to survive, then bam tanky metamorph form that casts in your face and takes it.
Xelnath got fired, thats why all the cool things we had back in MoP were gutted.
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I could be off base here, but, I feel like I am forced to play destruction. Affliction has such a slow ramp up and in some ways demonology does too. I like the demon spec too. Maybe I’m just better at destruction because looking at the dps charts show that affliction is better…I just can’t do it, especially in large mobs…
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Don’t forget that in meta, you’re damage was counted as physical and could go through rogue cloak, etc. That was always such a blast to let them waste cloak on your burst and still burst through it.
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Your* lol predictive text
Ion happened. He’s got a personal thing against locks and shaman.
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will you cut that out lol
Ion plays a shaman and warlock is still A+ tier from a raiding and PVP POV.
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You know they won’t.
But i will say in fully fairness that warlocks have been a bit…underwhelming this expax from a design stance. At least demo and destro have a hope for shadowlands under the spectre of “no major class overhauls” aff is just gonna have to hide behind numbers and their excellent movement for another round.
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100% agree as far as the underwhelming part. im willing to bet some classes still get some revamps; i find it funny people consistently say “oh he said x but obviously hes not gonna do that” whenever its convenient, yet “no class changes” is met as gospel. i think aff might get changed up, i bet destro might get some talent changes, demo just gets changed every xpac so who knows lol
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I hope aff is an exception. Destro and demo need tweaks. Hard tweaks in destros case but nothing on the scale that aff requires.
hard for me to pick what i would change about destro, cuz annoyingly enough corruption with expedient makes it feel realllllly fun with flashpoint.
pull some power out of gosup/infernal and bake it back into CB maybe. Flashover baseline or soul fire baseline (gives an extra button to push that feels a bit more impactful than incinerate and has a CDR mechanic to vary rotation a bit). really wish they would make self port act like shimmer
Fun was detected so per Blizz’s policy it was removed.
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Does Ion play classic shaman and Warlock from a pvp and raiding POV?
sorry i don’t follow…
he plays a shaman in retail. warlock numerically has been great this entire expansion in 2 of the 3 major facets of the game, however it’s design leaves quite a bit to be desired, so i really dont think there’s any evidence he has something against warlock. when did this become about classic?
It’s not about classic it’s about retail. For example I can’t help but notice that I have every key on my keyboard bound to something to the point I need to include the shift key to use my abilities in classic. In retail I have half of those buttons bound or on the default interface.
Rotation is more engaging and fun but…it came at the expense of options for those niche situations. Feels good and feels bad all at the same time.
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how many of those keybinds do you use consistently on a pull to pull encounter? i played a warrior very briefly in vanilla so i genuinely have no idea, but how many of those buttons are genuinely impactful and always used rotationally that you have bound in classic? my point being i could bind 10 different niche abilities in retail but i would hardly, if ever, use them
edit: i briefly forgot the definition of niche - but my last sentence was more or less the heart of my question
I guess that’s the beauty of classic. For your typical day you press a few buttons for your raid rotation, boring. But… in other areas of the game like dungeons or pvp you’ll probably use everything… Some quick examples…usually fearing in the dungeon is shunned upon, but…if you juggle fear with curse of recklessness you control that mob and guarantee he doesn’t get too far away for help. Or if that mob is low on health and starts to run…
Or how about you find yourself surrounded by a bunch of enemies, you can land the AOE fear bomb. Or suppose you got alot of dots on you. You can wipe them all off you with a spellstone and make yourself immune to magic damage.
That warrior is in your face and you can’t shake him because he’s immune to fear? Sac your void for a shield.
You’re on banish duty you can choose if you want the long banish or a short one.
And on and on it goes…the only abilities I haven’t found a use for is Firestone and curse of weakness
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thank you for the examples, i think some of those examples extend to retail as well but certain abilities are just gone that you said you use frequently enough, and i know the VW sac into self-roasting AOE or just into a pure defensive is genuinely a cool interaction that is mildly skill expressive as well. i know on nzoth im banishing/fearing multiple neurons and thats kind of the crux of that point in the fight, using coil/SF/fear on bloods on ilgy. but there definitely examples of lost utility that would actually have merit in retail as well, thanks for opening my eyes to that
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