I am not saying that… I am saying I believe it is realistic for the Night Elves to defeat the Horde in their own land without outside help.
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I never said that tho, I said you think the nelves could beat the whole horde by themselves, I never specified anything else, and you just said yes
Considering we had this conversation before, I assumed you remembered what my position was, considering you brought it up. I guess that is my bad to over estimate you lol.
I believe the Night Elves joining the Alliance painted a Target on their back. I do not think the Horde would have attacked them if they didn’t believe the Night Elves were their enemy, which Joining the Alliance made them explicitly.
I also believe IF the Horde was to attack them, the Kaldorei would not need the help of the Alliance to defeat them in their own land.
the warsong would have attacked them anyways.
name one time the nelves fought the WHOLE horde and won
There’s no foundation for that.
For one thing the Horde is a horde. And most of them have a good deal of experience in forest fighting or have their own affinities in nature.
Also the Horde caught the Night Elves with their frigging pants down. Tyrande had sent the military to Silithus and the commander of the forces in Astrannar was overtraining the forces she had left to exhaustion because she was taking out her bitterness on her troops. You’re expecting them to win despite circumstances like this and the bulk of their military away AND being outnumbered 3 to 1 or more.
You do not know that.
War of Thorns, they fought to a stalemate, and their army wasn’t even there…
… My position is also that Blizzard have not properly portrayed a guerilla War in Ashenvale, and how much of a meat grinder any campaign in Ashenvale would be. So it is kind of pointless trying to take writing that I think is wrong to try and prove my point here.
There is plenty foundation for it. I don’t agree with the points you have provides, either due to you being blatantly wrong, or what I consider a product gameplay driven story telling, rather than realism driven story telling.
I thought feminism stood against segregation?
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saurfang doesnt say the nelves would win thought, he says they will hold him off for the rest of the alliance to come, and malfurion in the same book says theres no hope of winning against the horde, they need time for the army and rest of the alliance to enforce.
Patriarchal segregation, sure. And any segregation for that matter. I suppose that was an improper term to use. Matriarchy is better for what I meant.
But matriarchal segregation is okay?
Not what I said.
I feel like i’m going to regret taking a side here, but Drahliana and Katiera are correct. I don’t think any amount of hit and run tactics in Ashenvale would of mitigated the fact the enemy force was overwhelming and the actual trained army was elsewhere entirely. The Night Elves knew the forests inside and out, but there was no tunnel network, no defensive instillation beyond what the civilians were able to man, and only Ashenvales nature spirits to count on for significant firepower.
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Oh, so you’re not for separating the genders then. Good. I misread you. My bad.
ah so headcanon
IRL, no I am not. But I think applying that to Nelf culture would have made them more unique and interesting.
A critique of the writing, sure.
Viet Cong.
Ashenvale and fighting the nelves, is suppose to be the hordes USSR to there germany, its like horde invading russia in winter, could they beat them by themselves sure, but not without massive loses. but heres the real thing, when the horde fights the nelves they arent just fighting the nelves, they are fighting the rest of the alliance, and we not have two wars to point to that the horde simply cant beat the whole alliance.
The National Liberation Front had far better conditions to work with then the Night Elves did, support from the Chinese, and they were working in tandem with the PAVN and had both mastery of the forests and an enormous tunnel network to operate with.
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First off bruh this is not the correct term, National Liberation Front, please. Second off he is saying the Night Elves did not have built in Ashenvale what they did in Vietnam. I don’t really agree completely cause were dealin’ with fiction and if the writers wanted to, they could say the Night Elves did have such things… but they simply didn’t say so. Although the mission table makes it clear they obviously had enough of something to retake Astranaar and other points after the War of Thorns. So there was resistance to Horde occupation going on.
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I don’t agree. I think that denying women or men from classes is pretty backwards. This is the Year of Our Lord 2,020. We can be better than that. We should be better than that.
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Oh here we go…
More WW2 references.
Interesting comparison though, I recommend the book “How Hitler could have won World War 2” By Bevin Alexander. The Eastern front is particularly interesting, and puts into perspective just how daunting of a task the invasion of Russia was. Germany didn’t have the man power or resources to ever succeed. It is pretty well established that Russia likely would have defeated Germany without Allied aid unless Germany could broaden the front and seize oil supplies from the middle east and caucuses, Something they never did. And the lack of low-altitude fighters to escort their bombers really limited their ability to attack Russian infrastructure.
So… really bad point of comparison there.
That is straight up delusion. Night Elves have the support of the very land itself.
I will use whatever terminology I want. It is the anti-communist term, and thus the one I will use.
I agree with you… but what I want in a fantasy world doesn’t have to match up with what I want irl.