Why are you spamming your spec and not being able to do anything about it? Did the idea of you creating the group not cross your mind?
If you find the way wrath was before ICC content and RDF was introduced a waste of time then sorry but that was the “Classic” experience.
Right because 4000 listings of dps players creating their own groups solves all the problems. 
By the way, you can still manually form every single dungeon group you run even with RDF in the game. It just gives players another option. As far as early Wrath, keep in mind back then we didn’t know any better. We didn’t know what we were missing. But we do now.
That said, I’d be mostly ok waiting until ICC (though releasing RDF with Ulduar would be better), but the problem is Blizz has said it’ll never be in Wrath Classic. A fact anti-lfd posters continue to ignore by saying, “Well, it shouldn’t come out until ICC.” It’s NOT coming with ICC. That’s the point.
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Cross realm things is the solution.
Its a lesson that was learned in the past and will be learned again. Being able to play the game is a much more important factor than some social mumbo jumbo about 5 mans being the center force in all friend making in WoW.
Sure, we never noticed that BG’s could que but dungeons couldn’t dam I was stupid as a kid. /s
Did it bother me, no it was fun to find a current group or make one to go make Arugal pay for bringing worgens into Azeroth. It was fun to go to the locations and enjoy the artwork and detail put into the game.
Still like I said earlier, if they implement it without all the extra rewards for using it and it was just an optimized LFG, I wouldn’t care. It was the incentivizing and loot bags and gold that was handed out just for queuing that I despise. They made their own mess with that, and retail is what it is today because of it.
The 4000 dps listings is a bit much and if you chose dps, then sorry even with RDF your que times will be atrocious so not sure what to tell you. I am running a lock now and I opened up LFG, saw a tank, grabbed him, got my guildie to heal and the dps filled in easily. This is a “you’re experience may vary” but within 3 minutes, I had a group and we ran RFC, WC, and attempted SFK but we had to call it cause the tank needed to go.
Either way, blizz has been known to backtrack on decisions but I really do hope they keep it out or make it RDF lite with no incentivizing.
I guess the social aspect of WoW died in mid 2005 when battlemasters were added? Or was it in 1.12 when cross-realm bgs were added? Yet those things are fine in pvp, but not pve? It is of course completely hypocritical.
I have fantastic news for you: you can still do exactly that with RDF in the game. But without RDF guess what: no one is running low level dungeons. They’ll be mostly ghost towns.
Oh please, saying Retail is trash because players are able to do dungeons is just silly. Without RDF the leveling process would be NO ONE doing dungeons. Incentivizing players to do the content is not bad design. And at max level it’s not even used for dungeons.
- Queue times were not atrocious even as a dps in Wrath. I averaged maybe 20 minutes, and that was 20 minutes where I could play the game while I was in the queue. Not constantly spam the LFG channel and refresh this stupid tool and offer gold to join a group.
- The experience you described would be completely unchanged with RDF in the game. You can still invite friends, guildies, random strangers. Feel free to, and in fact more server dungeon groups will be formed because of the convenience. Right now it’s mostly a waste of time unless you’re forming a group with guildies. Which, again, would be unaffected by RDF.
They’re known to be incredibly stubborn and cost the game literally millions of subs for extended years because of it.
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The difference between pvp queuing and RDF is that when you que for pvp, you get sent back to the battlemaster, not returned to exactly where you were in the open world. Would you be ok if RDF put you at the dungeon entrance after each run?
If RDF is why people were running low level dungeons, then why can I find a group now without RDF?
Your word that Retail is trash not mine, I just said it is what it is today.
Again a “your use may very situation.” LFG is working fine as it is now. Each time you talk about it, you never mention utilizing a guild, do you not join any? do they never help? If they never help then why stay?
I remember them stating they would never have a classic server. Guess things change.
If this response is hard to follow, I don’t spend much time on the forums and am not sure how to do the quote break up thing you did.
For one thing pvp queue times are short enough for everyone now that same faction BG’s are in that just sitting at a battlemaster spamming BG’s is perfectly viable.
Because lots of people are leveling their wrath characters right now, once wrath launches they’ll all be in northrend those low level dungeons will largely be deserted again. And a couple months or so into wrath once most people have hit 80 and done their heroic dungeon grind the wrath dungeons will also become less populated.
Not sure why people think that what happened in vanilla and TBC classic won’t happen again in wrath.
A) people in your guild are not servants who run dungeons with you whenever you demand it
B) Dungeoning is hardly the only reason to be in a guild, you see there’s this thing called raiding for which having a preformed group actually matters, unlike dungeons which are designed to be pugged
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I don’t agree with the removal of RDF, but I don’t think it’s unfair to disagree with systems and withhold them from classic.
If they do future expansions I’d really rather not see LFR ever.
Will be interesting if they do cata and remove LFR to see how happy to pro rdf crowd will be. A bit hypocritical if you ask me.
I’m okay with them adding rdf in ICC as it was back then.
Personally I feel like LFR just got a bad rep out the gate more because of the raid it was introduced with. Dragon Soul just sucked no matter what difficulty it was
I’d also be fine if they decided to tweak it to be just a little bit more complex, especially with today’s playerbase, people aren’t that dumb
Not a terrible point.
I personally hate LFR because it’s a toxic wasteland and the content is so watered down it’s borderline embarrassing. Nobody gains anything from having LFR. New players get an awful experience and don’t learn anything productive and seasoned players are bored out of their minds dying on pull so they can AFK.
At least in retail now normal is not difficult in the slightest. There is no need for LFR. If they want a story mode it shouldn’t drop any loot, or should be a single player campaign with NPCs tanking and healing with you.
RDF was in the game. Excluding it from WotLK would be like removing the honor system from Classic.
It needs to be in the game either from phase 1 or the last phase. However, it provides an easier way for folks to level alts which isn’t a bad thing.
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i don’t mind if (lfd / rdf) are hated or loved by part of the players for whatever reasons they talk about from their own community prospective, However Blizzard deciding to not implement RDF proves that blizzard clueless without any anticipation.
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It also didn’t really replace the pretty vibrant pug raiding scene that was going on in wrath but got destroyed when blizzard merged the lockouts.
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Retail has both normal and heroic modes before mythic, which can be done cross realm through the LFG Tool and are also both flex style. If those had been in Cata from launch LFR would never had any reason to exist.
RDF was also the classic Wrath experience, given it existed for half the run of the expansion. The purpose of Classic is to recreate to the best of the dev’s ability the experience of each expansion, and given how memories are stored for Wrath that means including RDF. Outside of the minority who quit shortly after its inclusion despite playing the rest of the expansion, the vast majority of Wrath players remember Wrath as having RDF.
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The RDF question and being able to run dungeons now was rhetorical.
A: I used the word utilize, not demand, I never said guilds had to help just that he never mentioned them as a resource.
B: If you only use guilds for raiding then that’s on you, I’ve known guilds to specialize, there are guilds for pvp, pve (dung/raid/leveling) and for RP.
Why do you all feel the need to reply so angrily. Is this not a discussion or are we letting our tempers take hold.
Either way, I am washing my hands of this, I have made my opinions in previous posts on this thread, doubt you will read them.
I believe that blizzard is doing decently well for this Wrath Classic experience so far and I have had more fun in this barely two weeks than I have in the entire length of Shadowlands.
Good luck and have fun everyone.
I do put into the effort in making groups… but still, I hated spamming LFM [insert dungeon here] back than, still hated it now, sometimes spamming LFM can take longer than actually doing the dungeon and if you like me who returned somewhere around Hyjal/BT phase in TBC classic and trying to do some Wrath classic prep, doing a TBC heroic dungeon that wasn’t a daily takes a long time to form, lets be honest with ourselves here once the honeymoon phase of pre-patch and Launch ends and most people are geared, expect some dungeons to be ran less.
Someone could be considered the most social person in their community and they would still dislike spamming “LFG” or “LFM”.
No shot you actually believe this LOL
On the fresh servers, it sometimes shows my level on the dungeon finder tool to be 3-4 levels below my actual level
I can’t stop laughing at how badly you’ve ben owned on this post. Did you buy that account? It seems a lot like you did.
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