Blizzard CN is now offline!

Well, with WoW gone over there, maybe the population will get a chance to use VPNs to hop the great firewall and hang out with us all here.

Unfortunately, it does mean losing their character data, but WoW’s in a place where it’s probably easier to get their stuff back than ever.

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You know if that happens that’s Ok, Just hope the ping times aren’t too harsh for them. Is there a way to transfer character data between regions?

At this time, there is not a way to transfer between regions, even on the same account. I would imagine its due to the various local laws for each region and how they handle gaming aspects, and I dont see that changing any time soon for something like that. Though we may as gamers feel its a “big issue,” I think its a small drop in the world bucket of issues.

I have had a couple of long term games shut down on me in the past years… but I had my accounts closed and had stopped playing before that happened so I probably felt like it wasnt that earth shattering given I was in control of when I stopped playing. Having it taken away from me… even as an adult… would sting for sure.

I did lose my original WoW account mid-cata because of a hard token authenticator that borked and no one could figure out how to fix/remove it. I wound up playing FF/Rift/Wildstar for years. Eventually manage to restore the WoW account mid-Legion.

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I’ll take this one.
You pick a fight with someone, you give them permission to attack you.
Japan started the fight that ended with them being nuked, twice.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

They thought it was all fun and games when they destroyed Pearl Harbor, bet they won’t ever do that again, huh.

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Not only will the Japanese never do that again, but it sent a very clear message to other countries that would ever even have such an idea to begin with.

I don’t see how America was wrong. Sorry, not sorry!

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Ah yes, the ol’ “I’m allowed to commit war crimes because you got the first hit in” argument, lol.

Nothing like slaughtering civilians to prove your enemy wrong. Lol.

HUGE carry vacuum just opened up in NA/EU

Were any civilians killed in the attack on Pearl Harbor?

I’m not asking for a numbers comparison, rather a yes or no answer.

Thank you for your time!

Were civilians the target of the attack on Pearl Harbor? No, no they were not.

Not to sound like a Chinese shill or anything, but I think there’s a couple of things that we need to understand here, that’s been going on with China.

The fact is, that for the past few decades, China has actually followed a relatively western capitalist model, which has lifted millions of its citizens out of poverty and has generated the country trillions of dollars in wealth. Although they are a communist country, they did give a lot of business a whole lot of freedom, which on one hand, was great for the country,

But the problem is when too many private business are take over, when it gets to the point where the government is no longer in control of the country, but the corporations are, that’s why the Chinese government is being very cautious, Xi Jingping wants to move back to the socialist model, as the capitalist model they had has run amok for too long.

Western companies have for a long time had to toe the party line with China, but in China’s world view, they believe that when companies become too powerful, make too much profit, it leads to inequality, social injustice and so on.

And as much as I hate to say it, I kind of agree with them, I mean let’s be honest, I love WoW but it’s fallen victim to the pay-to-win model with the WoW token, and micro-transactions in mmo’s are now a thing, it takes the joy and feeling of achievement out of the game. MMO’s HAVE become too large, at the expense of caring about their player-base.

Of course socialism doesn’t work if everyone is equally poor, but unregulated profit is also an issue.

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That was the way wars were fought back then, you didn’t have precision bombs and missiles, you dropped bombs in the hope of doing as much destruction as you could to the enemy in order to get them to submit.
That included civilians.

And again, Japan should have considered the ramifications of STARTING a war with a country the size of the US, it was their job to protect their civilians, not ours.

No, it really wasn’t. The Geneva Conventions were a result of the moral outrage to the way World War II was waged by some of its actors. Even back then that kind of thing was appalling, but America got away with it because it was on the winning and who was going to punish it.

Go back to history class…
WW2 ended in May 1945
The Geneva Convention wasn’t until almost five years later, in 1949.

In WW2, carpet bombing cites was a real thing. as was mass shelling from artillery.
“During World War II Allied bombing raids left their devastating mark on Germany, killing more than 400,000 civilians and laying waste to entire cities, from Berlin to Hamburg to Dresden.”

The bombings were so intense that, according to new research, they sent shockwaves all the way to the edge of space and briefly weakened the outermost layer of Earth’s atmosphere, known as the ionosphere.

Source: History. com

Now sit down.

Wait a second, wait a second.

Do you actually think the result of an action can occur before the action takes place?

Cause and effect is the cause happens first, and then the effect happens afterwards.

LOL.

Imagine suggesting the Geneva Conventions just kind of “happened on their own” independent of World War II. Lol.

You said that bombing civilians wasn’t a thing, then cited the Geneva Convention, like that was somehow the reason.
It absolutely was a thing and citing the convention to back up your claim of “nuh uh, wasn’t like that” was grasping at straws at best.

I pointed out the fallacy of you citing something that happened YEARS after the fact, and in fact, you citing the Convention only enforces the facts because why would it even have been a thing if bombing civilian targets wasn’t a thing?

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That’s how it works. Something happens, a cause, and then later, after some period of time, an effect. That’s how cause and effect works.

Bro, you are literally going nowhere if you’re trying to argue that the Geneva Conventions were not a result of World War II.

This is literally in the wikipedia article -

Inspired by the wave of humanitarian and pacifistic enthusiasm following World War II and the outrage towards the war crimes disclosed by the Nuremberg Trials, a series of conferences were held in 1949 reaffirming, expanding and updating the prior Geneva and Hague Conventions.

I said nothing of the sort, in fact, I JUST SAID why would the Convention have even been needed if bombing civilian targets wasn’t a thing.

You were dead wrong on the bombing of civilian targets (which was the entire point initially) so you are now trying to focus on the Convention, which is five years after the initial issue.

You were wrong, take the L and move on.
I’ll not argue just to argue with you.

Good Day.

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I think you’re confused. I’m the one arguing that bombing civilians wasn’t seen as “morally acceptable”, you are the one arguing that people were fine with it. You just created the casual link between Geneva Conventions (moral outrage over the way the war was fought) and bombing civilians, confirming what I’ve been saying.

You just took the L, lol.

I’m confused?
I say bombing of civilians was how wars were fought back then.
You counter with “No, it really wasn’t”
Then you go on to say “The Geneva Conventions were a result of the moral outrage to the way World War II was waged” (meaning, by your own words, that yes, that is how wars were fought back then, BEFORE the Conventions.

When I called you out on being wrong about how wars were waged, you tried to save the argument by switching the focus to the Conventions, that really had nothing to do with WW2 and how it was fought AT THE TIME.

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