Totally not a miopic raid biased load of garbage.
% of players that did raids?
% of players that did AV?
Ion’s raid centric influence over the game is likely a large reason for the choice.
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I said quest too…
They need to make sure every single quest works. I’m 100% certain that every single quest on private servers do not work. Hell in even in Vanilla some bugged sometimes.
100% working quests for Summer 2019 > AV choice.
Number of times people do each quest:
Number of times people do AV:
Am I saying quests are not important? No.
Am I saying that AV, a huge part of endgame is as important if not moreso? Absolutely.
PS: AV is not coming out in summer of 2019.
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So when I voice my opinion and tell you that you are overreacting I’m ‘trolling’. But when you voice your opinion and tell people that they only want 1.12 because they want a retail AV and talk about how blizzard is ruining their game you are just, ‘discussing’? Lol okay dude whatever you say.
I think you missed his point, no surprise. AV will not be in phase one, ony will. AV can be put on the back burner at this very moment because it won’t be out until months and months after classic is released.
Wait so you did get it… then what are you not understanding exactly?
AV is not a larger part of endgame than AB or WSG. All three of them are important. And whose endgame are we talking about?
How much of the actual playerbase does PVP?
So if we look at Nostalrius. They provided a cool info graph after one year of life of the server. On said graph (which you can just google Nost year one infograph), it said they had 130,000 active accounts. Of those 130,000 accounts, they said 48,000 characters ranked weekly.
So 36% of the server participated in some form of PVP.
On the weekend they said they had 10 AVs open at once. So 800 players out of the 13,000 they claimed were online. So 6% of the players were doing AV.
Also of the people who do PVP the most. The folks who are putting 16+ hours a day doing nothing but PVP for ranking. PVP is their endgame and they want fast games to get more honor…not 1.5.
1.5 AV makes AV the best source of honor according to private server players, who have played on a botched version of AV, where they combined aspects of 1.5, 1.8 and 1.12 to make a custom AV.
I love AV. I spent most of my time in 1.12 AV. We still summoned the ice lord guy a few times. We still turned stuff in. We still had long games. Like seriously long games. I remember weekend games that lasted almost 12+ hours.
But now players want to rush. That’s the mentality they have. You cannot change the way players play. You can’t force people to not rush. It’s just the most “effective” way to maximize reputation and honor.
Is there a point in there? All three are important. Yes. OK.
Did I miss a debate on what version of WSG and AB are best and are some not getting that specific version? Were AB and WSG gutted of content, quests, large sections of their maps?
My own as well as many others who do not raid (and some that do both)
Characters who rank are not only those who PVPed.
Now do that for raids. On any given weekend, what was the average number of players engaging in raids and how much average time out of the weekend were they in the raid?
Good for them? Many like myself did BGs like AV and did not chase ranks. See above. I like to walk, and on occasion jog. I do not run marathons or sprint competitively. Those players already had 2 out of the 3 BGs available to speed run.
Sooooo, 1.5 makes the best honor based on… something not 1.5?
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Could that possibly be because you started playing AV after the versions that I and others preferred?
I do not dispute that, and suggested that to be the prime reason the game went into the the direction it did. You do not improve a walking path by allowing motorists to share it with those out for a stroll. You do not then suggest that those taking a stroll have the option to block the speeding motorists to slow down traffic on the previous walking path.
Some players like chess, some players prefer to be able to push all of their pieces across the board so they can reset the pieces and do it again until they get their rewards and cast the chess board aside. I am an old guy. I enjoy playing Monopoly, Risk, Chess, strategy-based games. None gave me loot at the end. I play them because I actually enjoy the gameplay, the strategy, the immersion.
If I sat down at a table with someone to play chess and the other person preferred to simply take their arm and push all his pieces across the board all at once as fast as they could, that would rather remove the entire point of the game. That guy has the opportunity to go play “push all pieces quickly all at once” in another game, but they argue that chess would be more inclusive if the “push all pieces quickly all at once” option was to be incorporated into chess. To keep chess the way it originally was would be “entitled” and “elitist”. Do you not see how that would cause chess fans heads to explode? This is exactly what happened to AV, and the same exact road blizzard has chosen to kick the BG down.
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Well I apologize Broken. I have thought it over. You and I were the same person once. A BG hero. Someone whose endgame appears to be PVP. Not hardcore 16+ hours a day, PVP. But casual PVP.
Whereas I have gone onto raiding and other things. You appear to be the same BG hero. I was unable to emphasize with you earlier, but I remember that you have been a strongly looking forward to Dungeon set 2. Which is more or less for people who don’t raid. Someone like yourself.
World of Warcraft used to be an activity for everyone. And if 1.5 AV was your main activity I feel sorry that it isn’t coming back.
I wish you good luck in your fight to get Blizzard to change their minds. The old AVs sound fun. I don’t want people to think I don’t want old AVs. I’m just stating why we aren’t getting it. Maybe due to time. I’m fine with either or. I just want to play Classic. My BFA subscription ends in like… week or something.
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you smell laziness? I spell ignorance.
go to a community college, learn some programming, and come back to me.
If you feel fighting for AV 1.5 is the right thing to do. Than do it. Saying that you’ll take whatever Blizzard gives you …that’s giving up. We are the customers. We pay their bills. If we give in to whatever Blizzard gives us …then we’re just sheep. Blizzard will just say: “Players don’t care what we give them …so, give them 1.12”
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Raiding? Come on, I’m sure there are things in Classic that you’re looking forward to more than raiding. If that’s all you want then you’re not a true Classic fan.
See how that goes both ways? How about we respect the fact that different people want different things from Classic. If you didn’t care about AV, then you can leave the issue alone and let people who do care discuss it.
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Old AV lets you collect human bone chips which isn’t PC enough for modern blizzard.
The initial release doesn’t even include BWL. They could easily leave out the battlegrounds and honor system and leave them for later.
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That’s what I don’t get. Those that claim to not care about something, yet put constant effort into arguing with those that do.
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Spits out the mouthful of dwarf flesh she was chewing on
"HEAR HEAR!"
It’s already been explained to you so many times that if you still honestly ‘don’t get it’ you have a learning disability.
What was the reason? They just want to spoil things for people who do care?
Hahahahahaha… oh man… that’s funny stuff
Nope. Almost every single person I see on here is not arguing that there SHOULDN’T be 1.5 or 1.8. Every person I see this guy arguing with has stated that. They (I) have been ‘arguing’ over the statements and the arguments against 1.12. This guy, among others, have been talking about how 1.12 is just a zerg fest yet 1.8 isn’t. 1.12 is the retail version and 1.8 is for vanilla gods. 1.12 will somehow brainwash everyone into thinking we just need to rush and yet 1.8 will make everyone think we all need to gather resources. Also talking about how 1.12 is somehow a surprise and how it has no business being in classic (even though anyone paying attention for a second would have realized 1.12 av was the most plausible). The arguments this guy has been having is over topics like these. NOT about arguing that we shouldn’t have 1.5-1.8. I haven’t seen anyone say this directly at all. Most of the people this guy is arguing with is just calling him out on his BS over the top exaggerations and straight up lies.
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You do realize that is was right? They didn’t just import 1.5 directly. It was a franken AV that had bits and pieces of 1.5,7, and 8.