I’m with you on Razer mice. Been through 3 as well in the space of 6-8 months… Never again.
Logitech all the way for mice as far as I’m concerned.
Keyboards though… The one Razer I’ve bought (because it’s still perfect) has been better than all my Logitechs.
Both do the same thing, but yes… automated key presses could probably still get you banned, even if done with this very popular software.
Outside remapping keys, it all seems like a no-no imo.
But they sure won’t touch all these botters who are farming all kinda stuff. Blizzard is a joke.
What happens when it’s software required for the hardware to work, and they start banning you just for having it installed, even if you don’t use it?
Because I see that happening.
Then there should be ample warning if such a system is put in place. I don’t think that’s what this is.
As far as I know, and I could be wrong, the thing they don’t like is multiple actions with a single keypress… at this point in time anyway.
Blizzard isn’t banning software that merely emulates a key press/input. This would get shot down solely on CVAA grounds quite quickly. What they are banning is software and hardware that mirrors inputs to multiple clients at the same time. It doesn’t matter how you mirror the input, if it’s detected, your account(s) can be actioned up to and including a ban.
Like before, they’ll issue warnings first, without giving specific examples so people can’t “game” the system. Subsequent and/or later actions will be suspensions and/or outright bans.
Razer Synapse, Logitech G software, USB Overdrive, SteerMouse, Joy2Key, those are all allowed still as they do not mirror to separate clients simultaneously. They might have simultaneous configurations, but they do not mirror, and as such are not part of this clamp down on multiboxing via automation.
For instance, I use USB Overdrive in macOS to configure my Logitech G9x mouse because Logitech never supported it on macOS in any of their G software suites. My buttons are simply keymapped. Even if I had two clients open at once, because I’d still have to swap between them to multibox, I’m in the clear as USB OD doesn’t mirror. In fact, the very nature of separate app configurations means that such software (Synapse, iCue, Logitech G, macOS equivalents, Joy2Key) means that they treat every app as separate and only handle input when those apps are in the foreground. That’s how they “control” the HID devices such as mice and gamepads.
The only ones that need to worry are those using things like ISOBoxer and/or hardware mirroring devices. This also does not affect KVMs, or Keyboard + Mouse + Video switches, as those are either/or control setups, not mirrored.
The rule of thumb here is, if your software does not mirror inputs to multiple apps at once (which none of the name brand software does), you’re fine. If you aren’t using a hardware mirroring device, you’re fine.
Hafta is 100% right. You’re trying to push your own agenda which is being butthurt over this change.
He also answered your question about G Hub despite your protests that he’s off-topic. Depending on how you use G Hub, you could catch a ban.
He’s on-topic… you’re not.
I’d be careful with telling people that they can use stuff like Logitech G software, etc because it isn’t mirroring and they won’t get banned. There’s plenty of things you can do with that hardware and software and get banned.
If they’re using the software without bypassing in-game functionality limitations, they’re fine. Since the software mentioned merely allow external mapping of buttons, which can then be used in the in-game keybind configuration pane, there is no issue.
Edit: Some of said software can be used to bypass certain game functionality. If that is detected (and Warden is certainly capable of doing so), then actions are taken. Don’t do that kind of stuff and you need not worry.
The strategy they use is to contact you with a warning first if they notice anything. I wouldn’t worry about it.
The main problem specifically is mirroring (hitting a single button causes input on 2+ instances of the game). The other would be having a keyboard macro do something an in game macro or addon couldn’t do. If the game lets you do it, it’s fine. Key bindings are built in.
didn’t blizzard have a problem with Razer Synapse or something inside synapse? Idk cause I have a pre synapse naga molten. They don’t like autohotkey I guess.
They are probably monitoring accounts at the same IP address. I have a couple of accounts I run off of this PC and their system is always getting them mixed up so they must track that, i.e. I have opened a ticket on one account and it showed up on my other account (not connected).
Um just so you know Legacy loot doesn’t work that way. It’s shared loot, if you want double the chance at Invincible you need to run it separately twice.
At this point, when I log in and just can’t get into the game because 9.1 should have dropped a month ago, if they ban me for using GHub, I doubt I would even fight it.
I would just cancel my monthly sub, and find something else.
Maybe if you used macros, you’d be past level 50!
Actually it’s not, all warden has to do is put a keyboard filter driver in. A keyboard filter driver is nominally used by various kiosks to lock things down so that the keyboard doesn’t work when in kiosk mode. But it can also be used to just listen to the raw keyboard input in kernel mode. By doing that and the correlating that to window messages the game actually gets you can easily tell if the game is not getting 1:1. It’s pretty common as a basic anti-cheat mechanism.
I think it means fishing bots and stuff like that. A way for the computer to interact with the game without you present.
That’s botting, that’s always been an issue. But what I am worried about now is more about how they are going to track whatever it is they are going to track and that as it has happened in the past on many games, false positives.
They’re actually not against the ToU/EULA. You can use the macro keys, but only to store a macro the game itself could use. That means you may store a macro of no more than 250 characters on one key. Where it breaks the rules is if you combine macros on a single key. That isn’t allowed even if it’s under the 250 character per macro limit as it’s still doing two things with one input.
If I cant use my Logitech G13 keypad I’ll walk away from WoW and not even think twice.
Some folks are making mountains out of molehills with this topic, yet I do understand that there is confusion with what automated software Blizz is looking for and how they are going to go about looking for that. Now I can’t speak for Blizz directly, but from my pervious experiences with the industry the following should be mostly accurate… or completely wrong cause Blizz likes to throw curveballs. I’m also in the bathroom writing this out, so it might be a bit all over the place.
The Warden program is going to be looking directly for the main multiboxing programs. These are the ones you set up and then are good to go. You don’t even need to run 2 clients on the same machine kind of programs. If it sees that running, it will automatically put in a ticket (you’d hope at least) for a GM to look into this activity.
Since most of these are software based systems, this is easy to flag, find, and ban. There are some caveats to it as in the software could be loaded and you not actually running it, but if you have the software loaded the chances of you running it are pretty high. I don’t really want to go into the false flagging with this tech, cause that is a large can of worms that I can only theorize about.
Now there are some hardware keycloning devices out there. Those devices usually use some sort of software that runs with them. Blizz is going to be looking for that software or drivers to use those devices. There is some black magic that goes beyond that, but they can mostly tell. However, they are still going to rely on player reports and not necessarily use the automated functions all the time.
When players report someone, it usually is a clear sign they are using some form of either hardware or software. 10 characters running around perfectly together, it is a bit fishy. 2 players running around and it takes them a minute to loot, probably a person alt tabing which is perfectly fine. Is a player going to be able to tell if you are using a Naga Mouse with hotkeys? Nope, that is why their is the software and hardware checks.
When using Logitech or Razer products there are options to do things like hotkey or specifically put a button attached to another button. This is where the OP is getting confused. That functionality is in the base game. It is built in and Blizz does support that. You can remap your entire keyboard to use every single hotkey in the game. Those hotkeys can be macros or items or what ever. All base game.
Where it gets a bit tricky is that both these companies do have some automated software in their device suites. These would be their macro scripts and can be programmed to do certain actions. An example would be by pressing the 1 button it does the following: presses left click, waits 1.5 seconds, presses 2, waits 1.5 seconds, presses 3, moves mouse to X/Y corridenents, presses right click, alt+v.
That is automated software right there. It is taking over the controls for the player and running a script. It runs the same way as the fully automated software that has been banned for months now and is why people were getting “false flags”. Those are not allowed and will continue to be allowed.
That a confusing enough answer for you? Just don’t use the macro scripts and you will be fine. Have your Naga set up to run 1 and only 1 action and you’re fine. Put a wait timer in or a move to X/Y and be prepared to get a flag eventually.