I have been lurking on the forums for the last few days on both Classic Wrath and Classic forum and have seen the sudden influx of people asking for Wrath and TBC Era realms. Which makes me glad and super happy to see that so many people here are seeking to persevere the original 3 classic trilogy( I for one wish to have a Wrath Era realm), it’s also shocking to see other people to say to stop and not voice their opinions on the forum when Blizzard themselves have said they want to hear feedback on what directions for Classic to go. I have no hate for Cata or cata fans but please don’t be a tourist and hate bomb folks that want to be able to play their versions of the game that they enjoy, and have it kept. This idea of people telling others how to waste their time comes off as so strange and it comes off as that famously old saying "you think you do but you don’t " which is contrary to the purpose of classic
Speaking of Cata too, It’s also strange to me to see such a disconnect from Blizzard and them communicating with us, theirs been no news or update on Cata and its beta which is riddle with bugs and no communication with a Pre patch event. Almost as if they have abandoned classic Cata all together.
That’s beside them acknowledging that people want wrath and saying no at the same time for an era realm. Which is also contradictory to them saying they understand the time investment of your character yet refuse to give us an option to our character of either staying on an era realm or moving them, this begins to feel really like a headless chicken situation. They haven’t reallly told us what their end game for classic is or don’t seem to have a vision of what it is.
I would like to remind Blizzard what classic original goal was, it was to allow folks for legitimate and legal way to play older version of WoW without relying on Private servers. But now it seems they have forgotten what the original intentions for Classic were, so here we are stuck in this odd limbo of sorts.
Another note is this idea of factorization of players, when I keep hearing this counterpoint it’s so strange to me because what people saying this don’t seem to understand is that a TBC player is a TBC player, they won’t play Cata same while a Retail player won’t play classics Vanilla, you’re not really factoring the playerbase because those players are just flatout not going to play that version of the game, they will just return to their private servers that they use to play on. For Blizzard, a sub is a sub, and if someone wants to raid ICC or sunwell till the endtime that’s their problem. That’s their time, if they want to waste that way so be it.
It genuinely feels with all these forum post about Wrath or TBC Blizzard has to be aware about the desire to keep era realms but for whatever reasons they have walked back into this mindset of "you think you do but you don’t " which is demotivating but I am hopeful that will we receive some forum of positive news with all the push back the forums have provided on the desire for TBC and Wrath Era realms
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hopefully the classic devs arent being pressured into ignoring the requests.
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I think that there is a distinct different between voicing your opinion over wanting options and spamming forums posts saying “GIBMETBCANDWRATHERANOWORIMUNSUBBING”, especially since there are people who are using multiple accounts to flood the forums.
The problem with people who want things here is that there is never any organization to it - people just get loud and annoying. Get organized and provide a united front with statistics and detailed information. I’d imagine that it’ll get these groups further than they are right now.
Thats how people got Vanilla WoW classic, by being loud and annoying 
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I think the difference here is that you’re talking about tens of thousands of people who wanted Classic, as opposed to the fraction of that who would actively participate on era realms. I honestly have no problem with anything era related, but it’s just not a financial benefit.
did you see that tbc video i linked?
this is just raiders.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJNIiDxqlAU
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Theirs literally 10 thousands active Wrath players on a single realm for Warmane, right now.
It’s not just a fraction.
Isn’t this a Worldwide server, also?
Nah apparently it’s for a singular realm, which is called icecrown.
I just checked and they have right now 12,000.
In total between their other realms they have 23,724
I don’t think they ever really lost that reluctance, they just suspended it for a while when they were hit over the head by how popular Classic turned out to be. You still get the impression that they would rather everyone just play Retail, or whatever their next short-term seasonal thing is.
Generally, I share the OP’s sentiment. In my case, I have no interest in playing SoD or Hardcore, but I don’t want them to disappear, and it doesn’t bother me that other people enjoy them. At the same time, I really enjoy Era, but I don’t go around trying to get other people to play it, because I know it’s not the best fit for everyone. The idea of trying to talk people out of playing any game or version of a game seems bizarre to me, but you see it every day.
Even going back to the pserver heyday, there’s been a cannibalistic element to this part of the MMO scene that seems counterproductive, as if there can only be one MMO and everybody has to play the same game, the same version, the same way, and for the same time-frame. I can speculate about the reasons for that, but I won’t get into that now.
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We didn’t get TBC Era servers and the reasons haven’t changed for Blizzard.
I thought I did and I most certainly did.
So don’t take it away again
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I remember this. They at least gave me the impression that they would run old versions of the game so people would leave the private servers. It seemed like they would have a Vanilla, a TBC, and a WotLK server up and running as they released them in succession.
I was highly disappointed when they didn’t put up a TBC server after WotLK was released. I’ve been hopeful that they would now put up a TBC server (and WotLK) now that the Classic versions of the game have all been released. And still nothing from Blizzard. Even a single server for each of TBC and WotLK would make most people that want them happy.
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There is only one Classic WoW. The first one.
The only thing we were guaranteed were permanent 60 servers. That’s all a classic player needs.
Everything after the announcement of TBCC is some weird twilight zone episode where I’m doomed to repeat history except its way dumber the second time around.
The fact we’re getting Cata is proof positive this whole classic thing was a joke from the very start and Brack was right all along. Its pretty embarrassing really. Can’t say what the OP is expecting. Its all a lost cause.
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This is one thing that completely boggles my mind. They went through all the trouble to go after private servers leading up to WoW Classic in 2019 and then it’s like they just decided they can’t be bothered anymore.
What sucks is that I absolutely know there are passionate and engaged devs who would love nothing more than to preserve these versions of the game forever. This reeks of a corporate decision made by people who have no connection to the actual game at all. There’s so many things they could do here… so many things they could do with very little effort and still make money.
Has Blizzard as a company just given up?
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I respectfully disagree. Of course our definition of “classic” is probably different, and there lies our issue: semantics. Here is my own meaning and feelings on this. For me (and apparently many others) “classic” means WoW before Cataclysm–before the original world was drastically altered by Blizzard. Of course there were changes between Vanilla, TBC, and WotLK, but the game experience and the social atmosphere were still very close between those versions compared to later versions of the game. It is as simple as that.
When I listen to music that was created a few hundred years ago, I call it classical music. For me it isn’t a serious issue and I am just enjoying the experience. There are elitists and pedants out there that scoff at my musical faux pas and correct me and say it is Baroque or the Romantic period. I don’t give a sh… crap. I’m not writing a history piece, I’m just a guy trying to have fun. And I think most of the people talking about this “classic” experience are too.
If you want to try to define TBC or WotLK as something else, like the Azerothian Antediluvian period or even the pre-cata period, knock yourself out. Most of us will just keep using the simplified version of “WoW Classic” for the three versions.
Again, no disrespect intended. And if this comes off that way, I apologize. It is not meant to be directed at you personally Corpse, it is just a general statement on this “issue” since it comes up a lot here on the forums, which is “what is classic?”
This “issue” really is just a distraction from the REAL issue, that there is a group of people that would very much LOVE to have a TBC server, and others that would like a WotLK server. It really isn’t too much to ask from a company that many of us have already invested a lot of time and funds into, helping to make them successful over the past 25 or so years (with different games).
Oh yeah…
It is hard to argue with this sentiment.
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No matter what you call “classic” or not, Era versions of TBC and Wrath would be a stellar idea! Why not let people play what they like? I - like Corpseknife - have gotten my favourite version, Vanilla Era, and even a Hardcore version, but why not petition for others to have the same?
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That’s a fair to suggest from a broader perspective but its not really semantics. I have no problem if you want to respectfully disagree.
I just have a different take on things: A popular vanilla private server got shutdown, people got to talking, Brack told the fandom to their faces they cant play WoW without all the QoL and then Classic WoW became a thing as a result. The thing that was called Classic WoW is/was Vanilla (60) WoW which we are playing a watered down version of with Classic Era. TBC/Wrath were not named or mentioned.
Blizz, like their vocal fan base on their forums, didn’t think the vanilla relaunch was going to amount to much. They were all wrong. The point is TBC and Wrath were barely talked about by players in terms of them being a part of the Classics and Blizz had zero to say about them at the time. Both those parties once agreed vanilla was never going to happen in the first place, much less TBC and beyond.
TBCC and by extension, Wrath only came about after the fact because Blizz didnt have a separate subscription for Classic and their polls told them there’s a way they can now milk this thing for some extra money.
That being said, I agree that a generic Classic label is fine for first three games given the lore and Cata’s map alterations and have said as much myself many times in the past.
At the risk of another semantics charge let it be known I see WoW Classic and Classic WoW as two different things. WoW Classic, now to include Cataclysm Classic, is whatever expansion Blizz is cool with putting the word “classic” behind and Classic WoW is Era, mind numbing changes aside. Players who decide its Wrath aren’t different from those who decide it’s Era or TBC, all player opinions are equal.
None taken.
I count myself in that group. I only have a Wrath toon because I rolled fresh in late TBCC thinking there was going to be a TBC Era server I could run around forever in season 2 pvp gear after the trash got taken out with Wrath like it did for Era when TBC launched. I went to 80 on the small assumption they might stop there.
The simple truth is, we are not entitled to TBC Era servers. It would be nice for sure and I think they’ll be a thing one day but there’s no telling. We can ask nicely and constructively criticize their decision of not offering them but other than that we are at their mercy whether we like it or not.
The only reason people are told to stop is to prevent clog or spam.
If we were given a thread, petition board or any other way to get the point across we’d probably have era TBC/Wrath alot sooner.
But they are use to their golden cesspool dredging of dupe threads and hate mail. It’s why it took nearly 4 seasons for D4 to get some good chunks of updates and player feedback implemented.
Imagine you’re the lead of Classic and see tons of TBC ERA threads and likely many on the same account just posted on different characters, you’re first thought coming from what you were told and read is to lock them. Now if the Classic lead was a sensible human being we’d have seen a blue post by now expressing the timing of such requests.
We have cata around the corner, we got panda remix. SoD phase 4 will come soon. But you all are begging inbetween for TBC/Wrath ERA realms. You’re stretching your hopes and their resources too thin for what Classic is.
We’ll get some news about ERA TBC/Wrath realms after the flood of cata and SoD phase 4. Panda remix will be mid cause its tied to retail anyway.
So yes some of us want people to stop spamming threads asking for something they already know we want. They just cant release it yet.
I’d actually be tempted to play a Wrath Classic if it were presented as it was, but the developers made too many stupid changes. I have a difficult time even calling that crap ‘Classic’.
Still, I hope the folks who enjoyed it can get a permanent version. Nothing wrong with making your customers happy is there Bilzz?
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