Blizzard addresses PvP gearing, but still misses the mark

so the only way to fix the gear gap is make all gear equal? im not sure what you guys want here. I would argue if they could fix the rating and matchmaking system that gear almost shouldnt matter.

A gear gap should still exist, but not in its current form which is ~26 ilvls. No more upgrades, 2 sets of PvP gear. An Honor set and a Conquest set. 12 ilvl difference between them.


Gear does not need to be equal. I personally would prefer a more login and play system like that, but I understand that it isn’t popular in this style of game. But the gap doesn’t need to be as wide as it currently is, especially with borrowed power systems exacerbating the power creep.

They obviously aren’t going to drop the tiered upgrade system as it’s a major expansion system and it doesn’t make much sense to change it at this point. But they can easily improve upon it with a few simple changes imo. They have free reign over what the numbers are. They could easily squeeze the gap together.

For example, if they changed it to 4 tiers each, you could solve two problems immediately. You could shrink the gear gap to say 13 ilvls and eliminate almost half of the honor grind associated with it.

The other suggestion in that thread that I liked was making the first piece of honor gear BoE.


Instead of boosting honor gained, I would prefer decreasing the honor upgrade cost.

Also, conquest feels useless when you’ve purchased all gear/items needed from the vendor and all your alts have conquest gear from the boxes. Having a way to convert conquest to honor would be nice.

Additionally, it would be great if we could send honor from our main to an alt (something similar to sending soul ash to an alt would be fine, imo)


Missing the mark is an understatement.
This blue post further demonstrates that the current dev team has no comprehension of what PvP is. They may be trying, but they’re failing. There seems to be only 3 people consistently posting about PvP in that subforum and they’re not doing bad but they need to push Blizzard more. Stop sugarcoating it, call out their BS and bad design philosophies. Prosident is the closest one willing to do so.


You may believe it, but your player base is telling you differently. No one, and I mean no one that I have heard of anyway, is asking for the honor buff you are presenting. People are complaining about getting ROFLSTOMPED by geared people who are farming honor. This may prevent that a little. But, its still going to happen. Put it this way Blizz, lets say you own a restaurant. You “BELIEVE” that keeping the temperature at 60 is enough for your dining customers to have a fulfilling dining experience. You’re customers on the other hand are constantly complaining that they are freezing and the experience is very unpleasant.

So you have three choices. 1. You can insist on what you believe and force your customers to sit and eat in Artic temperatures. 2. You can give what a majority of the community want’s and turn the temperature up to room temp at 70 degrees. 3. Keep insisting that the temp stays at 60 degress and offer a solution of free crackers to your dining guests. Which confuses them, as no one is asking for free crackers. It also doesn’t change a thing because you’re dining guests are still freezing.

It is true if you go with option 2 you will have to pay a higher heating bill and there may be a little headache involved keeping things warmer. However, most restaurant owners will tell you that keeping it room temperature would be the best route to ensure your customers keep returning to dine again.


It’s like they have this tone of professionalism about that and they think they need to compromise and have reasoning and discourse when sometimes you just need to tell it like it is. These guys need to be less diplomatic about their approach and more aggressive, especially on topics that the player base is pretty unified on.


Exactly - stop the compliment sandwiches and tell it like it is.


Sadly, it’s apparent that after a design has been locked in for a particular expansion, Blizzard is unable to completely change it after it’s been released, even if big changes are desperately needed.

Better luck next expansion? Maybe?

I guess it depends if the devs learned anything from SL PvP, or if they still feel their power gap design intentions are correct and casual players are the ones who need to change.


This would be huge. But it means nothing with honor gear locked behind 43 and 59 renown. Please blizzard change or remove those requirements and the gearing process would be insanely better


I still don’t see the point of buy and upgrading all that PvP gear when you are still not competitive in PvP, not even in random BGs

This entire expansion, from the top down, has been a complete failure and why Shadowlands is worse then BFA


Yeah, I don’t either. But they won’t change it mid expansion or season. So we just have to wait it out

If it’s not their idea, then forget about it. Of course they know what’s good for their game, it’s thriving and not hemorrhaging players right? How foolish of us to suggest changes that would keep players logging in and having fun :roll_eyes:.


Still amazed that they don’t adopt the MoP/WoD systems that we had.


Let them eat cake


getting honor faster isnt the issue. being forced into rated play to compete in random bgs is.


and let me cut to the chase, it doesn’t work when casual bgs are full of rated boosters demolishing you just because you don’t want to push yourself into competitive mode or pay more money to get carried and would rather relax and have fun, hell I have more fun doing low level bg’s than max level. My friend tried so hard to get me into arenas, I told him I just can’t with the condition of this pvp season.


I’m so glad the players immediately disputed this. This is such an absurd claim.


It’s about metrics now buddy

Someone got clapped on the back for adding huge rep grind to every single piece of pvp gear


why increase the honor gained instead of reducing the honor upgrade cost?

honor gained also plays into honor level, something players have been grinding for several years, a flat out 40% increase to honor for a grind that can take months to years is huge