Blizzard, A Solution To The RDF/LFG Debate

[Doubleliftxx-kiljaeden]

@Zaalg-ashkandi

The solution is simply to put in the RDF from Wrath.

This /thread

[Ziryus-pagle]

@Nyseine-whitemane

@Ziryus-pagle

master of sarcasm I see.

Hyperbole you mean. Your sarcasm is that you shouldnt have to do that, noone has to, but its actually hyperbolizing, because you are overdramatizing what i am advocating for into a strawman.

Sarcasm, hyperbole and satire are not mutually exclusive.

[Nyseine-whitemane]

@Doubleliftxx-kiljaeden

This /thread

Would be nice right? if they were doing that?

[Nyseine-whitemane]

@Ziryus-pagle

Sarcasm, hyperbole

One invalidates your statement tho.

[Ziryus-pagle]

@Nyseine-whitemane

@Ziryus-pagle

Sarcasm, hyperbole

One invalida tes your statement tho.

I’m not the weirdo who tries to make everyone I play with a BFF /shrug

[Nyseine-whitemane]

@Ziryus-pagle

I’m not the weirdo who tries to make everyone I play with a BFF /shrug

Youre the weirdo who cant have a discussion without trolling hyperbolizing straw man .

Unironically, youre also the weirdo who needs blizzard to be a kindegarten teacher forcing kids into a line to play with you so you get your fair turn

The funny thing is, this isnt hyperbole, this is actually 100% what you advocate for, and is a reasonable metaphor.

[Somethíng-elune]

None of what you said answered the question. You are deflecting because you actually don’t have the answer. I think I am confusing you so let ME break it down simply for YOU:

How do you form social links with people who never socialize? Spoiler warning:

You don’t.

So what if the tank or the healer or the dps is good? You can try talking to them until you’re blue in the face. If they never talk to you, you never form bonds. Add them to your friends list all you want. If they’re not going to socialize with you in the dungeon, odds are they’re going to ignore that whisper you sent their way about playing together again.

[Ziryus-pagle]

@Nyseine-whitemane

@Ziryus-pagle

I’m not the weirdo who tries to make everyone I play with a BFF /shrug

Youre the weirdo who cant have a discussion without trolling hyperbolizing straw man .

Unironically, youre also the weirdo who needs blizzard to be a kindegarten teacher forcing kids into a lin e to play with you so you get your fair turn

Here’s the discussion an optional tool which would not prevent you from forming groups just like you do now would be a huge QoL improvement for a lot of people.

[Bubbleherph-ashkandi]

You guys are now life long friends! Congratulations!

[Nyseine-whitemane]

@Somethíng-elune

You are deflecting because you actually don’t have the answer.

I literally just answered your question in 2 different ways. You pug, and pursue social interactions with the people you enjoy playing with resulting in you pugging less.

@Somethíng-elune

How do you form social links with people who never socialize? Spoiler warning:

You don’t.

This isnt a single player game. And it doesnt need to be.

@Somethíng-elune

If they never talk to you, you never form bonds

Thats their loss, assuming they never talk to anyone. THeyve probably chosen tank or healer in order to make up for that handicap in some small way. the most likely scenario, is they just arent that interested in you personally, and so maybe a little introspection is in order

[Nyseine-whitemane]

@Ziryus-pagle

Here’s the discussion an optional tool which would not prevent you from forming groups just like you do now would be a huge QoL improvement for a lot of people.

we dont need QOL improvements.

@Nyseine-whitemane

Like ive said a bunch of times in these forums, Manual grouping doesnt provide “social interaction” it provides TEDIUM. which in turn encourages social interaction, in order to avoid all or a portion of said tedium. Having a huge friends list and a bustling guild, being well known respected and liked by the people you’ve played with, IS and SHOULD BE the most efficient route to gearing by a mile.

And unless RDF is heavily penalized, that all goes out the window.

[Ziryus-pagle]

@Nyseine-whitemane

we dont need QOL improvements.

Ah good so you should just go back to EQ since you hate QoL.

[Nyseine-whitemane]

@Ziryus-pagle

Ah good so you should just go back to EQ since you hate QoL.

wont have to! blizzard has decided classic should provide people like me a place where we can retain that “different experience” as Ion called it.

Thanks for your concern tho!

[Nyseine-whitemane]

let me remind you as ive previously stated here, im more than willing to compromise personally!

@Nyseine-whitemane

Ive said multiple times on these forums, id be Behind quite a few things:

A) Cross realm Manual LFG tool

B) Realm locked RDF

C) A heavily nerfed rdf, or heavily incentivized (through badges or gear) manual grouping

Its not up to me, and blizzard seems like they are far less into compromising than i personally am!

[Ziryus-pagle]

@Nyseine-whitemane

let me remind you as ive previously stated here, im more than willing to compromise personally!

@Nyseine-whitemane

Ive said multiple times on these forums, id be Behind quite a few things:

A) Cross realm Manual LFG tool

B) Realm locked RDF

C) A heavily nerfed rdf, or heavily incentivized (through badges or gear) manual grouping

So a version of RDF that doesn’t actually work.

[Nyseine-whitemane]

@Ziryus-pagle

So a version of RDF that breaks even by trading one kind of tedium and gaining another, which would still put a heavy emphasis on premade grouping through a history of previous social interaction as by far the most convenient AND efficient method for gearing

Fixed for you!!! I know you MEANT to hyperbolize there, but thats not conducive to a discussion dude!

[Somethíng-elune]

For all your talk about strawmen, you’re doing it far more than any of us. In fact, you’re the only one doing it.

We get it. You don’t like the idea of the RDF. But instead of just stating that simply and moving on you’re picking fights with everybody and trying to sound better than everyone that doesn’t share your own opinion on something.

[Nyseine-whitemane]

@Somethíng-elune

you’re doing it far more than any of us. In fact, you’re the only one doing it.

in all my talk about strawmen ive quoted each one of you strawmanning and hyperbolizing. Show me where ive misconstrued your argument.

@Somethíng-elune

But instead of just stating that simply and moving on you’re picking fights with everybody and trying to sound better than everyone that doesn’t share your own opinion on something.

Why arent you “just moving on” from the forums, if you dont like the game? Im not asking you this because i want you to, its a rhetorical question. When you bring up a weak suace non-compromise that misses the point of the tedium the system inflicts, i have every right to chill here and explain very Slowly why its not good enough and what the problems are. Are you tired of me roasting you?

[Bubbleherph-ashkandi]

@Nyseine-whitemane

blizzard has decided classic should provide people like me a place where we can retain that “different experience”

By adding paid boosts, store mounts, and retail raid buff mechanics. Wrath Reforged!

[Nyseine-whitemane]

@Bubbleherph-ashkandi

By adding paid boosts, store mounts, and retail raid buff mechanics. Wrath Reforged!

oh hey look a straw man! if you go to 12:14 in the announcement video Ion is talking directly about the inclusion of RDF, this things (while added which i dont agree with) are tangential at best, and not relevant to what i was saying! I like the ilvl nerfs, the difficulty buffs, Dual specc being P1 and rdf being thrown out!

I think its halarious, he legit JUST SAID “none of us are straw manning” and you rush in like “hold my beer”