I actually like Voidform. There’s a very loud group of players who want shadow orbs back but they don’t speak for the majority.
The current form could use some work such as baking some of the talents into baseline effects, but overall I like it a lot.
Extremely high lvls? all you said was mythic 5s then went on about this other druids skill lvl being amazing.
No thats not the case high ilvl doesn’t mean anything.
No, they don’t.
On top of the class being boring, there’s also the huge issue of being nonviable outside of your Infernal usage. While Infernal is on CD the spec feels like it’s doing nothing. Infernal is on a 3 minute cooldown and lasts 30 seconds. So, for 80% of the time, you feel like you’re waiting for Infernal to come off of CD. This is… boring, and bad design. This isn’t rewarding for the player, especially when we start going into Torghast, where the spec has been shown to have substantial problems.
And this isn’t an issue exclusive to shadow priests when in regards to mythic plus.
I am pro void form because I have seen what it is capable of doing and the agency it gave me to shine when I played it right. It was a challenging spec that really rewarded those who knew what they were doing in LEGION. It has been a mess in BfA.
Hell, I think that giving back several of the traits we lost in Legion and then a solid revamp of the specs talents could really make it shine in all content but that would require a robust and flexible talent system. Removing void form isn’t the only way to go about fixing shadow.
That isn’t to say that I would scream bloody murder if Blizzard went in a different direction either, but what I will say is this: I am not pro shadow orbs.
I don’t want shadow to go back to MoP or Cata because it really wasn’t all that amazing mechanically speaking back then.
Naenia is a resto druid who has multiple +26s timed I think he’s currently the second highest healer in the world. Ur right ilvl doesn’t mean anything I never said anything about ilvl?
Any obtainable significant power increase is always referred to as a requirement and not a bonus.
It was the same with tier sets. Every singe raid since TBC the forums cried how their class wasn’t complete until they got their tier set bonus and how it propped up a broken class.
That’s just how “bonuses” are perceived. They aren’t perceived as “bonuses” they are perceived as “penalties for not having them”
Then use VoP for the proc?
I mean no im sorry i don’t feel that destro is boring.
I am sorry you feel that way but if we go with the rogues way of looking at things.
you are 421 ilvl you don’t have any room to say anything because it doesn’t seem like you understand the spec.
IMO almost every spec has way too much damage tied up in cooldowns.
Sustained damage relative to burst need to go WAY up.
My personal position on this whole voidform vs orbs debate is they’ve had 4 years to find the right balance and they’ve missed the mark every patch. I don’t think orbs are baseline that interesting, I don’t want just generic whatever. I love the aesthetic of voidform, I love the idea of our resource interacting with a form that empowers our spells. That was the original pitch of voidform, that sounded good.
What we got wasn’t really that though, the reliance on voidform stacks to provide power means the spec starts really low, and reaches a place where on average its going to do about the same as everyone else. The power fantasy is lost because it all ultimately has to be balanced. In legion the highs were too high, leading to absolutely abysmal lows, bliz balanced that out a bit in BFA but quickly realised the thing selling voidform in legion WAS the stupidly high highs.
BFA fixed the damage pattern issue of Legion, but the spec lost its soul and the power fantasy it was trying to sell us became hollow. COI rekindled that, but once again brought with it the obscene backloading of power from legion.
I’d really like to find a way to execute what I loved about legion, with it still feeling like it works across all content and doesn’t just feel arbitrarily punishing when things don’t line up the way they have to with legion or Chorus BFA’s design. But I don’t think I’m willing to go through another 2 years of this for the chance of finding it.
You def said stuff about ilvl earlier thats how this whole conversation started.
I never could find a place for Mind Spike. I don’t think Blizzard could either which is why they dropped it completely.
WoD did try to make it work with the CoP (Clarity of power) build in WoD but it was never my style.
In BfA I’ve gone through a lot of classes and specs, and I can say among Warlock specs, Destro is terrible.
Didn’t put much thought into that one did ya? Fun doesn’t have anything to do with Ilvl. Also, I’m in M+ gear from the beginning of BfA launch. I think I know the spec. Though your point is absurd either way.
Get in line with all the rest of the non-mage, warrior and pally specs.
I mean, no because I play every class to a decent area of the current patch.
So I can say I know more how destro feels then you can.
I put plenty of thought into it you say its not fun because you didn’t put the effort in to get the gear that makes it more enjoyable.
Do you think arms is fun with low haste? No it’s not I need a lot of stupid haste to say my spec is considered fun.
How about you post on your Warlock?
Quote him properly.
Nyloras was mocking another poster.
His point… it was absurd… either way.
Yes, I said he was 451 ilvl. I also checked his dungeons and raids done which is where I drew my conclusion that he didn’t play the spec at any high level. But I should correct my statement: ilvl over 470 doesnt matter.
The reason this bothers me is because he’s commenting with a no experience shadow priest. If he wanted to discuss the state of shadow, he should’ve spent a couple weeks doing decently high m+ and going through the raid a few times, getting some stats, testing on a training dummy, then come back and lay out the problems with shadow. Not by guessing based on something he played 2 years ago
I too feel like the shadow priest is in a very bad state and would much prefer to return to its MoP roots.
I think the class went to far into the void spectrum. In my head cannon, It is impossible to channel pure Light or Void. Which is why Holy is void tainted light and Shadow is light tainted void.
A class/specialization should be able to stand on its own without external borrowed power. Borrowed power should only enhance or augment the class/specialization, not make it playable.
I don’t want to post on my warlock. What will that prove to you that you are wrong? Will it change that opinion of yours?
I doubt it will. My goal isn’t to so much as to correct the way of thinking you have when you complain about the wrong aspects of specs.
My goal is for others to see what they should complain about which isn’t my spec is boring because I only push 4 buttons.
It should be My spec is boring because I don’t have interesting choices.