It’s almost like the only way to retain the gameplay you want is to limit and hold back the entire playerbase.
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They want Wrath to feel like Vanilla but are removing every Wrath feature while adding features nobody asked for.
Gender Changes.
Name Changes.
Boosts.
Retail Barber Shop.
Retail LFD tool.
Allowing welfare 0 competition Scarab Lord to transfer to current servers.
Meanwhile the 2 most important features the whole playerbase asks for gets ignored: Race Changes and Random Dungeon Finder.
Good job at listening to ur community and taking feedback, Brian and Aggrend.
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I like these though. They’re good features.
Also, allowing name changes but trying to use the excuse of LFD dropping player responsibility (and also harming community) is kinda weird.
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I don’t have a problem with them but nobody really asked for it and Blizzard added them anyways because of all the 2022 #woke #genderequality talk we have going on nowadays while ignoring Race Changes, which is hypocrite.
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“entire playerbase”
Hyperbole.
It’s not the “entire playerbase” that wants DF.
Either way, yeah, I expect that if a game is designed a certain way, people who want the design a different way will be disappointed.
Typically the answer is to find a game that is designed the way you like instead of incessantly whining about it for months with no constructive results.
You mean like Wrath, and the whining from people who are anti-LFD?
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I wouldn’t classify anything I’m doing whining lol. I got what I wanted…what reason do I have to whine? I’m just trying to help you understand why you aren’t getting what you want because you and many others increasingly make it obvious you don’t get it.
No, instead you smugly dismiss every other player who isn’t pleased with Blizzard’s terrible design decision and tell them to go play some other game, despite Wrath being what we wanted but not what we’ll get.
I know why we’re not yet getting Wrath as it should be. Blizzard’s arrogance and design decisions. However, with the revelation that many of the devs want LFD, it’s only a matter of time.
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You knew you weren’t going to get exactly Wrath the way you want it when Blizzard was pushed in to #somechanges.
Really the only faction of people that has the right to whine, justifiably, are the people who have been #nochanges and always been, but even to them I would have recommended they play another game quite a long time ago.
Nobody stopping you from huffing copium.
Well, actually what he said is dead on. Read what Piezuri wrote again. To paraphrase, in order for the game to play the way you want all players must play that way. You stated having alternate choice would make your preference obsolete by splitting the player base. Doesn’t that feeling tell you something. The player base is already split. Not everyone wants to play the game like you and many others. I believe the majority would accept alternate choices. I will re-read the pillars because all I remember is protecting the sense of community.
Trouble is, forcing everyone into an already broken and manipulated system (LFG) does nothing to bolster community. It merely allows elitest more control over gameplay. Elitest who constantly say, " Go find a different game" or “Go play retail”. The person that just wants to escape life for a few hours is forced into a rigid hierarchy that is detrimental to the very community so many espouse to defend.
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Not to mention, a lot of players waited for Wrath so they could play Wrath. Now those players aren’t getting what they waited for, while the elitists got what they wanted for two expansions.
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That’s on them unfortunately. We were always going to get a Classic Wrath experience. Just like we got a Classic TBC and Classic Vanilla experience.
If this is how you react to someone not getting something they waited for, then maybe we shouldn’t have gotten Classic.
Except we didn’t. We got them as is rather than a changed one, but Wrath is different.
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Them waiting at all for something that was obviously not coming is on them. Classic in general is not even remotely comparable because we all knew it was only a matter of when, not if.
Except we did.
Are you claiming there hasn’t been any changes to Classic TBC and Classic Vanilla that diverge away from their source material?
Is that really the argument you wish to make here?
The expectation was that Wrath would be treated the same that vanilla and TBC were.
Except it isn’t being treated the same.
Not radically different changes, no.
It is. All of which have undergone #somechanges. If that bothered you, the time to speak up was about 3 years ago.
How do you qualify what’s radically different and what isn’t? Let me guess, whichever ones you personally care about?
I did call for no changes for Classic. The only changes I’ve approved of were very small, QoL changes that have nothing to do with the design as a whole.
Changing the difficulty, trying to make dungeons a more relevant endgame by continually trying to coerce players to do them (aka M+), and saying a system that a lot of players were waiting for wouldn’t be in the game for, “reasons”.
While I absolutely would prefer a higher difficulty on average, it’s a change that a lot of players may not appreciate. And the rest are Blizzard trying to inject their own opinions into the game despite the whole point of Classic is to avoid modern Blizzard and WoW.
The biggest change we got was same faction BG’s the other changes we had were minor improvements like the drums limitations or obvious balance fixes like the seals.
The scope of the changes being talked about for wrath is far greater than what we’ve seen. Which is profoundly stupid since WoW peaked in wrath.
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Perhaps you weren’t vocal enough then, as they’ve already set their minds to #somechanges.
If #somechanges bothers you, then yeah, my best advice would be looking into other games.
The players have changed the difficulty themselves for both TBC and Classic. Next.
We don’t even have the full details of that, so calling in M+ or radically different is jumping the gun too early. Next.
Yeah, a lot of players were waiting for drums in TBC too, and look at how that turned out. Moving on…
The point here is that Blizzard has been making changes throughout Classic’s entire lifespan. If you had an issue with changes, the time to act was about 3 years ago. Unless, of course, you only care about certain changes, and not changes as a philosophical game direction.
Right, so there have been changes, glad we cleared this up.
Not really.
I mean if we all wanted to play Vanilla wouldn’t we just stayed in Classic?
Like what gives dude. Give us LFD and stop changing crap no one asked for.
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