like every week we here you say looking at the data we decided to make changes. well LOOK AT THE DATA. ITS A TRASHCAN TALENT. make something more useful. the problem with arms is its single target build is all over the place. im trying to weave in 7 abilitys that burn rage. delete slam bring back condemn and we will all be alot happier with arms
It seems Fatality is chosen in 86.61% of raid builds according to subcreation. It’s fine if you don’t like it or have reasons for thinking it should change or even be removed. But the base of your argument that the data shows it’s a trashcan talent is just not correct in the slightest.
I would love condemn back. It was the reason I made my warrior venthyr
Yes please, for all warrior specs. I don’t want that!
The court of public opinion and adherence is often wrong in hindsight.
Sure, but despite claiming it exists the OP provided no data at all. It’s possible the more than 85% of raid fights subcreation can pull from are featuring arms warriors running objectively bad talents, but I’m not just going to take the word of one forum poster over all of them, in the absence of other information being brought to the table.
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lmao its chosen because theres nothing else to choose. it hits one time in a fight for 500-900k and doesnt crit. its garbage not fun not engaging. its a filler talent that looks cool for .1 seconds of a fight. just delete it and bring back condemn like everyone wanted
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There are 45 talent points in the arms spec tree. Fatality is a capstone so not taking it won’t block you from taking anything else in the tree. You could literally take 14 other points instead.
Being less pedantic here, you don’t give what you’re comparing Fatality against in your arguments here. You call it garbage, which has no meaning on its own. It can only be garbage when compared against something else, either in your class/spec or considering the need to compete with another class/spec for a spot. If I look at the most popular Arms warrior raid build according to subcreation, there would be 9 other options to spend that talent point without changing any other pathing in the tree; if Fatality were worse than any of those 9 options, that would be the meta build rather than the 100% it is chosen today. Why not advocate for one of those options to be better to make them worthwhile choices over Fatality instead of removing a talent that I’m sure some people like (and everyone uses).
I’ll never understand why people insist on removing things they don’t like and can avoid entirely to be replaced by things they do like. Nothing forces you to take Fatality today, but it probably is a talent some do enjoy. Why not suggest Blizzard make Condemn a choice node with Fatality instead so you can choose (I’ll admit I know little about Arms warrior so a choice node may be nonsensical, just highlighting that a choice node would be better than removing Fatality)?
But honestly the biggest exception I take with your post here is that you claim to have data showing why Fatality should be deleted. Even being a low output option (which when I checked out some of the logs from the top arms warrior appears to be between 2 and 3 percent of their damage, so not quite as bad as you claim either), 100% of arms warriors are taking from the data available to the best talent aggregation site we have. Given that you’ve provided no data, a quick perusal of warcraft logs appears to show you are mistaken with how much damage you think it does, and it has a 100% pickrate, you haven’t done even a good job of demonstrating why the talent should be removed in lieu of something else that you personally like better.
are you even a warrior lol ive mained warrior since legion. arms is in a rough spot. #1 its squishy #2 the rotations are clunky, im hitting slam half the fight then just spamming execute for 35 percent. they buff cleave and no one uses cleave bc it hits like a wet noodle. u have no clue what ur talking about. i know they pay you shills to get on here and try to troll people but i am giving constructive criticism. make the capstone condemn and it would go amazing with the set bonus. and would add survivability and would make the rotation super smooth. there is way too much button bloat i have to choose between overpowers and slams, all my talents buff overpower but them im capped on rage so i have to hit slam. its dumb period
“everyone that disagrees with me is a paid blizzard shill troll” - Guide to WoW’s GD interactions.
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Except saying “do this because everyone wants it,” isn’t constructive criticism nor is it backed by any proof.
I could just as easily say “good job everyone really enjoys this talent keep it how it is for us,” and then what?
Care to show us everyone else who wants to get rid of it?
Arms is super clunky spec its one of the worst specs a warrior can have. Dps output is very sloppy.
I tried arms and I hated how clunky the spec is.
Warrior main here. I’m running Slam on my Fury’s PvE loadouts and it does feel clunky. It’s partly the lame animation and sound effect, and partly the poor Rage generation. I ran Onslaught last season, which generates 30 Rage in comparison to Slam’s 10 Rage, and my rotation felt very smooth then.
Not sure Condemn has to return. Personally like weaving in another ability instead of the more spammy builds.
No I’m not, but it gets frustrating seeing so many calls for X or Y to be completely removed from the game because one person dislikes it with total disregard for what other players might think of it. I have made absolutely no suggestion that Arms warrior is fine and doesn’t need help. I’m not even opposed to part of that help being Fatality being changed or made a choice node with something else. I’m against other players losing a talent they might like which has a 100% pick rate as a capstone (so nobody is picking it for pathing reasons) because you don’t like it. And the data we have shows it’s purely subjective to call for its outright removal.
no one likes fatality its a boring talent that is useless in 90 percent of the game. it is only picked bc there are 0 other options. u already go the whole way down to pick up other talents. they could make an alot more engaging talent period. arms definitly needs help it flops over dead unless ur geared to the teeth with tertiaries, and hits like a wet noodle until execute. most of us dont like slam there are some that like button bloat but im playing a warrior not a mage i dont want 75 abilities to push. i like overpower into mortals into executes rinse repeat.
This is objectively untrue. The most popular build on subcreation shows 10 other talents you could put the point not spent on Fatality without changing anything else about the build. All 10 of those options could be worse than Fatality, and it’s easy to assume they are worse because otherwise the meta build would include one of those, but they are options nonetheless. You could be asking for one of those talents buffed to be competitive with Fatality rather than removing Fatality.
To reiterate what I am saying, I am not claiming the talent Fatality or Arms Warrior as a whole are good. The talent might need tuning, redesigned, or a competitive option to sit alongside it. Arms warrior is in the middle of the pack for tuning today so it’s not doing terrible, but at the start of the patch it certainly was. I’m not arguing against changes to improve either the form or function of the spec.
It’s just part of the argument you are using as a way to try to prove your point is factually untrue. All classes and specs do have must-take talents for pathing reasons alone; I assure you the reason 100% of druids use Soothe 100% of the time has nothing to do with always wanting to be able to remove an enrage even in PVE content that has no enrages. But being a capstone, Fatality simply is not one of them. If it were as useless as you claim, the meta arms warrior build would have one of the 10 other options available without any pathing changes in its stead. Yet as I type this, 100% of arms warrior are taking Fatality for raids according to subcreation; it may be true that it’s the best of a bunch of bad options, but it’s not a forced option as you continue to suggest.
just stop talking you didnt even go look just talking out your butt
I mean…nobody said anything here for 13 days until you came back to tell someone to be quiet. Ironic, much?
Can you point out one thing I’ve said that is false? You keep claiming that a valid build cannot be put together without Fatality. When in fact even without changing anything else, you could take one of 10 other talents instead of Fatality when considering the most popular raid build on archon (replacement of subcreation). Clearly Fatality is better than those other 10 options, else the best one of those 10 would be the meta build.
He needed more Rage.