Blizz, Hong Kong, Freedom of speech, lets have an Adult discussion

Wrong. They were PO’d because it was on mobile, and what that meant. Mobile games aren’t just hated for being on mobile devices. They are hated because of how they function, financially. They are built around sleazy gambling crap and exploitative paywalls, with extremely shallow “gameplay” that basically boils down to taps and swipes with a finger, and has no skill involved. PC gamers and Console gamers have a very justified hatred of mobile games for a reason.

No, it would have been the same, because mobile games are trash. Take EA’s Command and Conquer on mobile, or CoD Mobile, or Hogwarts Mystery, or Diablo Immortal, or any mobile title. They all play almost identically, they all feel the same, and they have the purpose of cheaply sucking as much money out of the user as possible.

Because you keep ignoring that China isn’t Blizzard’s main priority. Their existing customer base is.

Because, as I said numerous times, most of their customers are not in China. 78% of their revenue, at the bare minimum, is not.

Nope, never owned one and don’t plan on it. The closest thing I might ever own might be a Nintendo Switch if I buy one.
If I do own a mobile phone, it certainly won’t be used for “gaming”.

this is evidence why globalism doesnt work. if you want to sell your product to china, do so separately, with a different company. dont try to force the whole planet to capitulate to chinese demands. blizz knows full well americans are not gonna put up with that. if they want to keep their american market, they’re gonna have to separate blizz from china.

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LOL… the topic was whether you have an unbridled right to free speech wherever you go.

You do not. Whether your speech is restricted by contract or property right, it can still be restricted, without specifically being spelled out in advance.

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Exactly my point. Should have been PC.

LOL. I’m not “ignoring” anything. Blizzard may have legally binding obligations in China. I don’t know what Blizzard’s “main” priority is any more than you do. But I do know contracts are binding and the cost of breaching an international contract can be horrendous. Cutting one’s nose off to spite one’s face is foolish.

Again, it’s your use of the word “sacrifice” I am having trouble with. How are 90% of the player base being “sacrificed,” exactly?

none of that matters. literally. what matters is they did it “diplomatically” for china. do you honestly think blizz doesnt want hong kong to be free ? of course they do. but they’re trying to do the globalism thing and it just doesnt work.

this is why they had such an over the top reaction. the dude coulda said anything else, about literally, any other country’s politics and wouldve had a slap on the wrist, if at all, kept his winnings and titles and it wouldve gone forward normally from there. but since the regime in question is already off the charts authoritarian, blizz mirrored their politics and over-reacted.

it was diplomatic, yes, but at the expense of every person on the planet, including the chinese people, who deserve human rights, the same as every other human being.

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Btw everyone, off-topic again but…please let’s not forget Blizzard’s REAL crime;

Okay back to the topic at hand, at the moment I am just sitting back waiting to see how this all all plays out.

It also should have had better gameplay, no idiotic paywalls, no gacha gambling BS, and not outsourced to a Chinese company for a quick buck.

Yes, and there are legal stipulations that they can use to break their contract. There is always an exit clause.

Most Blizzard fans and gamers, the vast majority of them, don’t like gacha games, exploitative loot boxes, or censorship. Those are things that very heavily come with selling your soul to China.

I thought that’s what they do and why they are in the current predicament.

no, i mean totally separate. china’s tournies should be internal and not aired globally, since they cant behave globally. they think everyone else needs to capitulate.

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If you don’t support China why play a game with Pandas?

Beautifully stated!

Yall getting -50 social points for this

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Silver, I agree with you about globalization.

International trade has gone on for centuries, using tariffs to protect the value of exported goods (labor and materials, finished product). Globalism and all this so-called "free trade"is nothing more than an attempt to drive down the cost of labor. Without global labor and wage standards, that is the inevitable result.

Other than that, I don’t think this incident has the far-reaching worldwide implications you suggest. There will be no worldwide uproar caused by Blizzard’s decision. If that’s what you’re hearing in the “media,” just remember, they told you Russiagate was real too.

Human rights is a deep subject and various places in the world observe them to differing degrees. Absolutely zero of those problems will be resolved by any reaction to this incident.

This doesn’t mean to say I don’t wish that everyone everywhere enjoyed the same liberties and respect for human rights.

And FYI as hard as this may be to believe, millions of Chinese people were deeply offended by the gamer’s remarks. This is definitely not a one-sided issue.

Then stop reading the post.
Unlike China, we don’t have to have your permission.

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Would you feel differently if it had been outsourced to India? Israel? South Africa? Benin? Venezuela? Bolivia?

Pure speculation. The fact is, neither you nor I know the specific terms of Blizzard’s various agreements.

I agree with this comment. However, still not seeing any “sacrifice” going on. Blizzard seems still to have lots and lots of customers from all over the world, happily playing their games.

how can you be deeply offended that people want to be free ?

what is worth flighting for? certainly not fighting to be sure your gov can watch you bathe or pick your nose and determine if you’re doing it right.

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I am not deeply offended, nor did I say I was.

What I said was, millions of Chinese were deeply offended. Why? Because they believe Hong Kong is part of China and that Hong Kong should want to be part of China and that a public declaration that HK wants to be free of China is offensive to their Culture and their way of life and beliefs.

I know it’s difficult to imagine that people elsewhere have beliefs that are different from ours, but honestly, it’s true. It’s not your fault – most of us have to rely on very unreliable, biased sources with their own agenda, to tell us how it is in places other than the US.

Traveling to other countries is a complete eye-opener. Hearing what people in other lands of other cultures is a bit surprising to most Americans.

Are you joking me? Trying to reason with the cesspool? You must be new to the new world.

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I’m not saying anything (albeit vaguely) other than, “Follow the money.”

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interesting POV. Kinda makes all this “I’m quitting because of …” seem like a joke

Personally, I think that most of the people that are quitting over this, were going to quit anyway. They’re just using this as an excuse… for whatever reason. Maybe to appear less as a quitter and more as a SJW

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