Heroic dungeons required Revered reputation with their appropriate faction to enter initially. This was later nerfed down to Honored in a later patch.
Before you could step foot in Karazhan, you needed to enter Heroic dungeons.
Is that not “A long grind” ? Especially considering Rep at that point to reach revered required chain running the normal mode dungeons as nothing else gave it ?
If “playing the game” is too much of a requirement for players, then fixing their “issue” means gutting the game of all gameplay.
How is that good for the game ?
Some players have got it in their heads that without Rank 3s, you can’t play the game for some reason. But that seems to be a GD narrative more than an actual in game thing, as I see people running around with Rank 1s and 2s and not caring.
Not really, no. You were usually at heroic by the time you’d run normal once, because of the rep you got from those factions while leveling up.
And again, you got this rep while farming your preraid BIS gear. You couldn’t realistically do the Heroic dungeons without farming the gear from the normals first.
Daily quests aren’t “the game”. Sorry, they are what you do while leveling up. Playing the game for most people means doing dungeons and raids. I shouldn’t have to PvP or do months of dailies in order to play the PvE side of the game.
If the rep I needed for these essences actually came from farming the dungeons like it did in TBC I would be totally fine with that, because the dungeons are what I want to be doing anyway.
And yet when they removed dailies in WoD after the outcry from Mists dailies, people screamed bloody murder and WoD was hailed as the expansion with “no content”. It had Raids and Dungeons, but it just had 0 overworld end game outside of the 1 Apexis daily initially.
You get 3 essences from Dungeons alone. No need for rep.
And yet when they removed dailies in WoD after the outcry from Mists dailies, people screamed bloody murder and WoD was hailed as the expansion with “no content”. It had Raids and Dungeons, but it just had 0 overworld end game outside of the 1 Apexis daily initially.
You really think people were screaming about the lack of daily quests or are you telling porkie pies?
Crucible of flames doesn’t come from dungeons. It’s from the heart of azeroth questline.
Vision of Perfection ok, when you said dungeons I assume you meant M+ since obviously nobody is really interested in farming regular mythics which is what you have to do for Vision. Another chore that you wouldn’t be doing otherwise if it wasn’t for the essence.
Doing mythic0 dungeons that represent no challenge is a chore, yes.
Doing M+ dungeons that are fun and challenging is not. But you can’t get vision of perfection from M+, only from farming Mechagon which is not currently available in M+.
AKA : You get Crucible for any activity you which to partake in.
How is it semantic rubbish ? If you only do dungeons, you’ll get AP and AP will give you Crucible. Same as if you only PvP, or only Raid, or only do WQs.
Crucible is a default essence everyone gets somehow. It counts for any sphere of content, and to try and dismiss it to paint a narrative is simply not a tenable position.
It’s really not asinine at all because that’s exactly what it is like. It’s a very easy dungeon that poses no challenge, to even compare it to a M+15 is ridiculous.
This game has always required players hunting BiS to do things they “enjoy less”. Welcome to 15 years of World of Warcraft. Having “BiS” is something you force on yourself, not that the game forces on you.
You can play Dungeons with the 3 essences from dungeons.
And I can show you clears of +15s with healers having only 1 essence. So what ?
This discussion is getting to be pretty pointless, as you can’t even admit when you say things that are simply wrong. Muting the thread.
You don’t get your BIS essences though. They come from all forms of different content depending on what spec you are. EG Healers BIS essence comes from Mechagon rep. As a moonkin my BIS minor is conflict and strife which requires rated PvP. Certainly not content that I enjoy, in fact I’ve never done it ever.
As a tank my BIS minors are Memory and Null Barrier, both of which require a month or more of dailies/rep grinding.