Blessing Of Protection/Divine Intervention/WSG Flag Interaction

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My understanding is that I should be able to BoP myself with flag, then unbuff the blessing, and then repick flag clearing physical effects off myself. With the ability to do the same with my allies.

Also i should be able to MC cap an enemy and cast blessing of protection or divine intervention on them while they have the flag. Forcing the flag to drop.

Now I could not find any proof of this because I have no idea how to go through blizzard patch notes efficiently or what search terms to use. But no source I have found thinks this is correct. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

This is a massive inconvenience and massively changes paladin play in WSG. I can make an unbuff macro to get around the issue with self BoP…But it will be slower and doesn’t do anything for when I want to target an ally or enemy

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So bop on yourself causing you to drop the flag works?
Macro to remove the debuff that allows you to pick the flag up again works?

Mind controlling an EFC for a bop/drop flag - hotfixed in patch 1.7

(13-Sep-2005):

  • Warsong Gulch will now be level-banded as follows: 20-29, 30-39, 40-49, 50-59, 60
  • System Messages have been added to Warsong Gulch to replace the heralds.
  • Losers of Warsong Gulch are now given a “Ribbon of Sacrifice” which they may turn in to Captain Shatterspear or Sentinel Farsong for a faction reward.
  • Offensive use of damage immunities no longer causes the flag to drop in Warsong Gulch.
  • A bug that allowed ghost players to pass through the Warsong Gulch starting gate has been fixed.
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No it does not work, but i can unbuff the flag, then bop myself, then repick. Just adds an extra action. Very useful for snares. I didn’t have the macros set up so I haven’t tested in like a kidney or scatter

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/cancelaura with the flag buffs name here
/cast blessing of protection

So this works for yourself correct?

Try having a dedicated target in the middle for example

/cancelaura [with the flag buffs name here]
/target GĂ ldin
/cast blessing of protection

or even pretarget target who you want bop on

/cancelaura [with the flag buffs name here]
/targetlastfriend
/cast blessing of protection
No macro will help with picking up the flag - you have to target and click it. Pretty sure you cant use bop while holding the flag but i could be wrong

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I’m pretty sure at launch you could hold the flag while BoP’d/LiP. But that changed somewhere in the middle patches. My understanding was it should allow me to cast on both enemies and friendly with flag. And prevent repick until unbuff

It won’t work on allies I don’t think. I can’t cancel aura for an ally/raid member…? Can I ?

And yes obviously I will have to click the flag…lol

Much more concerned with my inability to do it to others than I am myself.

edit - to be clear i want to be able to bop some idiot pug or my FC if he’s gonna die. It will allow me to cast bop on anyone excluding those with a flag buff. Which is very inconvenient when ur druid is gonna die with full mana but you want to just swap FC and take some pressure off

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You cannot be holding the flag under an immunity/mounting. Iceblock/vanish and casting a mount will make you drop the flag automatically.

You cannot bop a mindcontrolled target to force them to drop the flag - patch 1.7 notes.

If you target a friendly target who is holding the flag - does bop cast on them and make them drop the flag?
Does is not cast on them at all?
Does it cast and nothing happen ie losing the cooldown?

If you are holding the flag and that is preventing you from casting bop on either yourself or your friendly target the macro should help.

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Yes I get nothing if I attempt to BoP a flag carrier. Enemy or ally. There might have been some message about invalid target. I don’t remember. But it certainly didn’t take the CD.

Again this is only a problem with the person carrying the flag. Whether or not I carry the flag does not matter unless I’m targeting myself.

It will not allow me to bop anyone who has flag. Or presumably DI them although I did not try that on an ally I did an enemy.

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So this is working as intended. This is not a bug.

You can not force someone to drop the flag either friendly or enemy.

For you to use bop on on a yourself while you are holding the flag -

/cancelaura Alliance Flag
/cast blessing of protection

For you to use bop on on a friendly target while you are holding the flag - target that player first

/cancelaura Alliance Flag
/targetlastfriend
/cast blessing of protection

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No the patch notes say offensive use, which is extremely vague. But sure could be what we’re talking about. I find it hard to imagine what other immunities they could be refering to.

How is boping an ally offensive use of an immunity? That makes no sense

You have no proof of that, and didn’t even understand teh basics of what I’m describing to you lol

offensively bop’d myself? ???

There have been debates on many communities before this one…No one came up with the can’t bop anyone with flag. And i see no evidence it should be this way beyond the patch notes you linked. Which in no way reference allies.

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It prevents forced trolling of players. Imagine a paladin that doesnt want a flag capped and does this. The only way to get another player to drop the flag is kill them or have them drop it themselves.

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Or if you’re high skill cap it prevents wiping debuffs and fast flag swaps. Bopping myself out of kidney might be nice eh? lol

Your comments about MC in the context of the patch notes make sense. In this no.

People again been palying this patch for 15 years…Woulda been a lot simpler to just go with this solution. Which is the 1.12 solution all emulations are based on. You are way out of your depth

edit - thank you for the relevant patch notes tho

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Took me all of 30 seconds to find relevent patch data regarding what you asked for.

You can do this with a macro. Then click another macro or the buff off and repick the flag - can be done in seconds.

If you cant do it to a mind controlled target that becomes friendly why would you assume you can do it to a friendly player.

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Because i see people talking about how it changed circa 2010-2012 i don’t remember the dates. But that to me almost guarantees this is retail legacy not vanilla

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Patch 1.7 prevented it from happening ‘in an offensive manner’ ie forcing someone to drop the flag regardless of faction.

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Here is a thread claiming MC/BoP was a thing thru MoP in WSG

The patch notes you found are very vague I’m not convinced anything you said was true. I’m just acknoweldging it looks right and is a start

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Silverwing flag not alliance flag****

Buff

Silverwing Flag

You are holding the Silverwing Flag.

Spell Details

Duration n/a
School Physical
Mechanic n/a
Dispel type n/a
GCD category n/a
Cost None
Range 50000 yards (Anywhere)
Cast time Instant
Cooldown n/a
GCD 0 seconds
Effect #1 Apply Aura: Effect Immunity (Summon Player)
Effect #2 Send Script Event (8504)
Flags

  • [Remove auras on immunity]
  • [Unaffected by school immunity]

Note the last 2.

Did you even read their comments?

Nov 3, 2014
Has anyone else noticed this?
Prior to 6.0, at least to my knowledge, being targeted by hand of protection or shroud of concealment did not force a flag drop on a player. I know that back in vanilla it was common practice to mind control a FC and then BoP him and it worked for a short while, but I thought this sort of thing was done and dusted. (Worked until patch 1.7)

Anyone else experience this or know if it is a known issue?

Nov 3, 2014
I’m fairly certain this isn’t a glitch, but it is “working as intended”.

Nov 3, 2014
(Edited)
mind control bopping fcs was a part of the rbg meta all through mop

do you mean getting bopped by allys makes you drop flag? cause that would be new. if it’s just after being mc’d by enemies then it’s the same as always

EDIT: forget all that I’m wrong, was thinking of mc/bopping orb carriers in temple. not sure if it worked on flag carriers so it could be something new

Nov 3, 2014
(Edited)
As of 2009, you could not do this to an FC. Not sure if it’s new with the patch, or in MoP. I did tweet about it, but got no answer. (So we know it didnt work in 2009 and poster was unsure if it worked before that or not)

Edit: took out the site as it has some info that probably isn’t wanted.

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Yea and then beneath some one who actually plays says no MC/BoPing FC was a thing until MoP

No one pushes back

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110 Human Rogue 13560 55 posts
Nov 4, 2014
I was in a Warsong Gulch battleground as Alliance with a friend this past weekend and we pushed the Horde back to their graveyard and our team started camping them there. We went up 2-0 while camping them and then my friend wanted to just end the Horde’s misery, so he went and picked up the flag to run it back. A Paladin on our team put Hand of Protection on him to force him to drop the flag so that he could pick it up and not allow the third cap and continue camping the Horde at the graveyard. My friend was a Paladin, too, so he casted Hand of Protection back on him so he could get it back, but the other Paladin had the Clemency talent, unlike my friend, so he just did it again to get flag back.

I didn’t mind camping the Horde, though. I received a little over 100 honorable kills and I was finally able to get my Bloodthirsty title later that day.

Maybe they cast bop on each other to prevent the flag from being picked up in the first place.

Certain actions will cause the flag carrier to drop the flag. These include that player being killed, summoning a [mount], entering [stealth] (including via [Vanish]), receiving a paladin’s [Divine Shield] or [Blessing of Protection] (“bubble”), and [Ice Block]. The carrier can also drop the flag by clicking on their own flag buff (received while holding the flag). Actions which do not cause the flag to drop include shapeshifting (cat, travel, ghost wolf), [Divine Protection], and using battleground power-ups. Also, picking up the flag breaks stealth.

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Here is a wowhead article that references your ability to bop flag carrys

Can’t drop the flag if it won’t let you cast on them, will it?

And no i didn’t read it i skimmed it. For obvious reasons people have discussed this a bit lol

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Not trying to disprove your bug report - im trying to clarify it.

Delete this entire thread and remake it -

[BUG] Unable to cast bop …

Unable to cast bop on target if they are holding the flag - could you please check the reference client. The way it appeared to work in vanilla was casting it on a friendly would cause them to drop the flag and casting it on myslef would cause similar behaviour to iceblock/vanish/mounting.

Asking to be able to mc an efc to cause them to drop the flag in an offensive manner was patched out in 1.7

Until then a workaround macro
/cancelaura Silverwing flag
/cast Blessing of Protection

Trying to help you man.