Bland Frost Dk

Is this actually what the people want? Oblit and fs spam, rinse and repeat?

Or do we want a reason to press soul reaper, remorseless, etc?

I’m curious what the overall sentiment is for people who play this spec vs mine (I enjoyed it more prior to the rework when I had a few buttons to press beyond the core 3.)

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Theres a reason frost is the most popular spec even when its subpar. Its easy af.

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frost is kinda boring but it should be doing big numbers all the time for neuron activations cuz it makes you feel good.

pof should just be 20% at 20 sec on 1 min cd and to much has been put in km and should be put back into base abilities.

all stuff that makes oblit do frost damage should be dropped and put into obliteration and passive changes oblits damage from phsy to frost. then we can have better talents that can do other stuff

As opposed to all the hard specs out there? Like what? UHDK? Death Coil and Scourge Strike spam skill cap is crazy… This is the first time FDK has been popular in forever. What are you even talking about. There is no cata level of warrior stance dance/sword n board swap skill cap left in the game with any class. Dont kid yourself.

  • Soul Reaper sucks for FDK. Nothing but a complete rework of the spell will fix it.
  • RW is redundant with how BoS works at this point
  • Best iteration of BoS since it was a thing.
  • Even though Howling Blast doesn’t hit hard when using Riders spec, it is now important to press because of frostbound will.
  • You actually get to use Glacial Advance and Frostscythe now and decide when to use them. The range on them allow us to still dps in M+ when we otherwise had to D in hand mechanics. Adds before first boss in Priory are a good example.
  • 2H rips.
  • DW is still viable
  • ERW (which basically replace RW spot on the bars) makes the spec more engaging than it has been previously.

So yeah. Its awesome.

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It isn’t the whole icy, big burst, “I’m literally Arthas” theme?

Did it fall off a cliff with the last rework that actually gave you cooldowns to press beyond your pillar macro?

Easy fix. Make the damage for the global worth pressing.

Opinion. Much lower cooldown, has its own ramp mechanic, synergy with HB from talents, but sure, one could argue they are the same if they wish.

Can’t disagree here at all. Breath finally feels like a good cd to hit.

Glacial was cooler as a harder hitting cooldown to me, especially during SL when it could buff HS and add a weaving playstyle. Not sure why they scrapped that.

New frostscythe animation makes me cry, but I guess it’s nice that there’s a spammable rune spender again (I just wish they gave me a talent to make it a CD like it was because it could hit harder than oblit under the right circumstances)

Best change they have ever made to the spec, but they pruned a lot of the other fun stuff and made it boring for me again. I am glad people enjoy it for now, though, until it gets nerfed into oblivion yet again.

Soul Reaper can rot in hell.

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Oh no! Buttons to press! What ever will people do?

An entire talent on a hero spec tree can’t save abysmal tuning, which is all it needs.

I don’t want to require a spreadsheet of addons in order to do my rotation. Frost is fine - not every spec needs to be unreasonably complicated.

Soul Reaper is just lame and needs either a total redesign or just be removed.

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Some things needed to happen, others didnt. Some things still need to happen, but those things arent mid expansion changes.

People have complained about Soul Reaper for a while now because of it not having any interactions with the spec at all.

The damage is terrible, the on death proc is generally useless and it disrupts the flow of the rotations.

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Frost is fine, im having fun.

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Personally, I kind of despise Frozen Dominion. :L

The premise of the rework and the absence of Cleaving Strikes are fine… but it’s just not the same. :confused:

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Yes.

The glory of the spec is really around that 45 pillar window. It’s the same reason Ret Paladin is fun.

Wait you want to press soul reaper and remorseless instead of obliterate and frost scythe? Good god why? Do you also like self flagellation?

It’s kinda always been that way for frost… hit glowing button… do damage. If you want a good laugh here is a meme from cata back in the day all about it… https://youtu.be/7Hb3PJMpgsU?si=frIMBrMJY-NtvJrl

Yep, I do. Oblit, FS, Rime spam for days.

Remorseful always felt like crap to press and DnD was literally just to cleave. The class feels so much smoother now without useless bloat and an actually good button with ERW.

I prefer this. Having more buttons =/= better gameplay.

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Its almost time for my weekly poast for a raid buff for dk

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The rework is an improvement overall, but it isn’t perfect.

Rime procs still feel mid. If it weren’t for ERW reduction cd, it wouldn’t be worth the press.

Soul reaper needs a redesign in general overall.

Km functionality imo should change, but let’s be real, dk isn’t going to get a real rework. The most recent one to frost imo is as far as they will go.

General tree is completely outdated when comparing it to other classes.

Hopefully dk gets more love in 12.0.

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Well, that’s tragic. Guess we’re stuck with Mind Freeze, Control Undead or requiring :poop: talents to get a Death Grip range increase.

… and Frozen Dominion. This node will draw my ire for a while. :sweat_smile:

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As opposed to what, exactly? It’s basically been this way since DF.

Except it’s always less popular than Unholy and is only more popular when it’s grossly more powerful.

I never use such addons. Why would you need those if you know what your spec does? Just use one button rotation at that rate.

I want a reason to press them all since they are in the game, and I prefer to play on M&K as opposed to a Ps2 controller.

The last rework, where I think I stated above, that you could get value out of things like chill streak and frostscythe in single target as a decent cooldown.

And I will reiterate that frost has a hero spec that has synergy with soul reaper, so I don’t see why it can’t be made to be good. (But I guess that’s like asking for spellslinger frost mage to be viable since options are bad, and people get very upset to see them.)