Billion Dollar Company Asks Players To Donate To Prize Pool For Its Own Tournaments

I don’t recall the saying, but usually the truth is somewhere on the simpler side.

Is expecting a company to profit from a product really tantamount to demonizing them? Do we really need to search for alternatives because that’s such a horrible thing? No, that’s their entire purpose. Do I think they need to sell this thing to please their shareholders? Probably not, but I’d be incredibly unsurprised if they were.

And honestly, why would a for-profit company come out and tell their consumers ‘Ah, yes, we’re pocketing some of that money you gave us as profit’?

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Oh where to start here…

For one, you’re mis-identifying the true product here.

The True Product is the Tournament.

When it comes to a Tournament, your primary revenue generators are the following:

Admission tickets
Advertising revenue
Sponsorships

Your expenses to present the Tournament as a product for people to consume are the following:

Location - According to Google, it is $30,000 to rent out the Anaheim Convention Center for Friday-Sunday.

I couldn’t find anything else about if that covers setup costs, security, or anything else. But let’s assume that it covers at least making sure the building works and is secure.

Set up - How many computers do you need? How many will be competing at once? Let’s go with 30 computers, and 10 spares incase of something going boom. These need to be top of the line systems that will not have any problem running these games competitively. They also all need to be built the same, stress tested, and set up the same. That’s a minimum of $40,000 for the tournament computers.

You have to record it. That means you need systems set up to record the people running these dungeons. You could run it off the competing computers, but that may not be a good idea, as it could affect performance. So you need computers set up to run simultaneously to capture that data, likely using some form of custom WoW client that can ghost the players and see what they see. You need enough of those to record a point of view of every active competition. So… probably 5 more high-end computers. Another $5,000 dollars.

All told for just the computer setup you’re looking at a cost, between personnel and time, of $50 - 60,000 dollars.

That stream needs to be broadcast, so you have to set up the stream system, relaying that data, you need a control center and specialists who are trained in that field.

I’ll be honest, I have no idea what goes in to that or how much it costs, but I’ll guarantee it isn’t cheap.

You also need to have hired stage-hands, stage security, people who also take down stats and coordinate the teams. PR people who know how to put on a show, communications equipment, someone in charge to coordinate all of that.

This is not simply 10 people showing up in Mom’s basement, recording some dungeons, and putting it on Youtube.

It’s a full-scale production, and I’ll wager the cost is near the $200,000+ area to do it.

All of that eats into the projected revenue stream from the ticket sales, advertisement revenue and sponsorships.

The higher quality your production, the more your overhead, the less money from revenue you have for the Prize pool. The less of a Prize pool you can offer, the lower quality of the talent, the smaller your audience draw is, the less the advertisers and sponsors pay you.

The toys are something they can through together pretty quickly with pre-existing assets, that have a low overhead cost with what will be a decent demand from players, and will help to both cover their overhead costs and directly benefit the players in the tournament by directly increasing the prize pool. Meaning more fan and audience engagement, more advertisement and sponsor revenue, higher draw and more motivation to succeed even bigger next year.

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If you really look at it, it does seem a little weird, if only because of the way they told us how it works.

It’s basically saying “If we sell more than 200,000 toys, some of the money you spend will go towards the prize pool for our tournament.”

I mean, I get that it’s business and all that, but it does seems odd to me. Not “wrong”, really. Just odd.

I mean… did you look at the title of this thread? Demonizing Blizzard for subsidizing the MDI and Arena World Championships with toys on the Shop is the literal purpose of this thread.

They shouldn’t – that’s my point. Blizz basically gave us the means to support events we like if we want to. Instead of being cool with that, or just indifferent, we’re now waist-deep in posts complaining about it.

There comes a point at which I have to wonder why Blizzard bothers with us as a collective. They literally cannot do anything right, because there will always be a pack of vocal detractors waiting to twist whatever they do to fit the mold of an uncaring, detached, and disinterested corporation.

And this feeds in to why devs don’t talk to us. We consistently look for crap to be mad about, and it’s impossible to please us. The best they can do is manage outrage, or opt not to communicate with us at all to avoid the headache of doing so.

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I don’t care that Blizz is selling toys.
I want them to put more cosmetics on the store.

Let me know when Blizz sells power upgrades. (levels aren’t power upgrades).

Fairly common business practice across many industries. You’re not paying $40.00 for a baseball cap and $150.00 for a jersey because of the quality of the item.

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Did you not understand what you read in this thread? Or anything about this subject?

It’s a percentage of the sale that goes to a percentage of the prize money…who do you think is paying the rest?

Do you know how Anything works?

Maybe people are treating them because a corporation because they are a corporation?

I love some of Blizzard’s products, I’m even strangely happy with BFA despite a lot of my misgivings, but I absolutely refuse to pretend they’re some group of nice guys working out of their garage for my benefit.

There are corporations out there who have actually worked to earn that kind of respect, or at the very least trust - Blizzard have tripped over their own shoelaces a few too many times the past few years for me to say that about them anymore.

tl;dr: still enjoy their products, don’t quite trust Blizzard on their word anymore

I bet someone could set up a gofundme and raise more for the tournament. I’d buy both toys if 100% went to the tournament winners. And never use either one.

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Perhaps you should avoid omitting the relevant words when replying.

there will always be a pack of vocal detractors waiting to twist whatever they do to fit the mold of an uncaring, detached, and disinterested corporation.

I’m not expecting people to pretend Blizzard doesn’t exist to make money. But they aren’t soulless. Not yet. If you want soulless, you’re still going to have to head over to EA’s office.

That’s not entirely true…

Almost every qol feature has to be bought.

Inventory space, action bars, costumes/costume slots, currently limit, ah privileges, etc…

Don’t get me wrong man, I love swtor and always will. But it’s ftp model is awful, you have to sub to do any serious gameplay effectively.

Billion dollar company has convention about itself, charges fans to get in.

(Edit: In case that went whoosh, I think this it totally fine)

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I’m not going to spend any extra money on this game until they make my class/spec fun in arena again. It’s worked so many times in the past, it should not be hard to figure out how to fix it. There’s mountains of feedback as well.

The fact of the matter is that KT humans weren’t supposed to be the alliance allied race counter to the zandalari trolls. They goofed, made a communication error, and then ended up committing themselves to something that ended up diminishing the quality of everything else in the game because of the resources devoted to KT humans.

And now, we’re 6 months into the expansion, my class still sucks in arena, and they want me to give them MORE money to change to said problematic allied race, and also buy a cosmetic item to “support” their PvP tournaments. How about make a quality game that people are excited about playing and watching?

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Why is that something to br cheered and apluaded? I dont understand how can interpret s company as being greedy and respond with “please take more and continue giving me less value for my dollar”

As the saying goes: a fool and their money are quickly departed.

Listen here fella, how can they afford to pay some of their employees millions of dollars in signing bonuses because of the fans who already pay a flat fee per month to play the game ontop of buying each expansion for 60$ dollars if those same fans don’t also pay to support a small section of the community!!!

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You speak as if blizzatd is a struggling company searching for ways to cover their costs. They have billions and are announcing record profits. BFA is a top money-making pc game for 2018, as well as multiple activisiom games.

This is nothing more than an advertising gimmick to help sell some new products. Dont treat them like a school running a bake school for new books.

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And they have no major releases slated for this year, are expecting a very lean income, and have cut other eSports programs as well as the jobs associated with them due to the cost.

If you want MDI and AWC to continue to exist going forward, it behooves you to express that if you’re interested in the toys being sold.

If you don’t care or don’t want them to continue to exist, then just don’t buy the toys. It’s pretty binary, really.

ESPORTS stink so I won’t be buying the toy until proceeds to go something worthwhile.

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The difference is the other Companies that have been doing this, are non sub games. While Blizzard is a sub based game, and makes their money from subs and Micro Transactions. While now tricking players into given them even more money. Which they steal 75 percent of instead of giving it as true prize to the participants. Esports for Blizzard is not about the players, just more veiled cash grabs. Watch Healsvsbabyface. He explains it very well.

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