MMR, CR, Skill. None of it matters. Your ability to climb has nothing to do with your skill and everything to do with your overall team’s performance.
So if you are a luck person, easy 2.6k+. If you are an unlucky person, 2k or less. No matter how good you are.
Point and case, tons of the absolute elite PvPers and streamers are unable to climb past 2.2k. They are inhibited by their matchmaking luck.
Please blizzard, take performance metrics into account for MMR.
A person with 0 kills and lowest damage DPS for the team with no caps or flag returns can still be the MVP for their team winning based on objective play. Like doing some crazy CC on two people to let someone else on your team cap, for example.
Scoreboard isn’t going to pick that up at all. You would need a panel of judges or trained AI doing a full game review to take performance into account
Are you sure?
Is it really nothing but luck when people are winning 75 out of every 100 games they play?
The same people who dominate arena are the same people who are also dominating RBGS. I doubt it’s pure luck honestly, you can go look at the api data yourself.
Well said, it’s not luck at all.
Hilariously bad idea. Also, you’ve hit your highest pvp rating ever because of blitz lol. If anything that’s proof how forgiving the mmr is and how even bad players can climb.
no its not luck. If your a good player, even when the odds are against you, u can still turn it into a win, thus a good player will win more of those situations and in time climb above the rest. In fact, a person who can climb in Blitz is probably a better player than one that runs a premade stacked with Meta.
Yea, no
When everyone else in your bg has the mindset of a goldfish and doesnt do objective while the enemy team does obj you 100% lose. Its rng to get teammates that are mentally efficient enough to understand that brawling off point or standing in the mid just parsing is bad and obj is the real win.
Also if anyones reading this and you want a easy win, pick up orbs in temple. Yea you know
The luck part of it really isn’t about winning or losing, it is about what the team MMRs look like for the matches you get put into (something you have zero control over and can drastically effect your rating progress).
If I could still post screenshots, I’d post one of Jellybeans going 1 kill 4 deaths in a match he had no chance of winning because his team was that bad. He had his team’s only kill and our team had over 40 kills.
I’m amused when people say things implying a single good player can change the outcome of a match like that. They are either trolling or legitimately stupid.
Yep. I could post a thousand screenshots. One player cannot make a feasible difference against 15 other players.
People who have a 75% winrate are simply lucky with their teams, or have a MW or Pres duo queue. Because they are so OP as healers/FCs right now.
I’d accept the argument that on flag maps, having a skilled FC is a major difference. But only that.
yep. as much as i wish a metric could be used for this game mode… this post is 100% spot on.
its not the system that sucks, its th epeople that suck.
i do think people who grief games should get suspensions/bans if able to be proven they r doing so
I’ve hesitated for a while to say that I believe there should be a minimum ilvl again. Why even have PvP gear if it’s just a recommendation?
It seems an absolute smack in the face that as a healer I’m being told to just accept that 3-4 out of my 9 other teammates are 3m HP under everyone else there because there’s no requirement to be using PVP gear specifically, but “they’re allowed to be here, heal better.” No, the very basics of this system are being completely forgotten. I shouldn’t have to OOM every single fight to try and keep people alive, just for them to not have killed anything that whole time. You’re allowed to be new to a style of gameplay but this is regular bgs behavior l, it should be kept in regular bgs where there is room for error. The amount of folks who don’t even know the run down of the maps is frustrating enough.
I’ve had multiple matches with shaman/mages/evokers who don’t lust even after asked, or specifically wait for the worst moment just out of spite.
I’ve seen an arms warrior without a single PvP piece equipped (none of that set switching at the last second) somehow make it to 1600.
I’ve seen multiple healers insist on sitting bases because they’re new to RBGS/the map/or they keep asking for a dps to come replace them and no one will/ again people say no out of spite. Why are people that clearly don’t want to be here, allowed to queue up and hassle the matches like this?
And if you happen to get put in multiple matches with folks who seem unable to learn from their mistakes, there’s just more penalties for you for trying to leave a losing situation.
Sitting bases is a viable strat imo. Most games I win is because a dps decided to sit a base all game and recap it repeatedly. Calling incs for backup.
Versus uncoordinated running around like a chicken with your head cut off. I wish more DPS would just sit a node. They usually get caught in a fight for a node and lose track of timers.
I beat Savix in 3/3 games just yesterday. That must mean I’m better than him right? I have the screenshots.
People log in without pvp gear, no clue how the bg itself works, if you speak up about a strategy sometimes you get flamed, don’t want to do anything, don’t want to talk, don’t want to be told what to do, go straight to fight mid map and then…. 100 pts. Enforce the bg is over is when they all decide to fight each other over who threw the game.
And of course, there’s always that one that hits you with the “bruh look at my dmg and killing blows”
This is blizzards fault really. Blitz and random bg are the same unfortunately. They need to place some time of requirement when you queue up for it because you’ll end up paired with random bg quality ppl.
It certainly isn’t entirely luck. It does play a very large role though.
You can repeatedly get the worst team comps imaginable while facing team comps that seem entirely premade in how perfect they are. They can be overcome, but the chances are incredibly low.
You can also continually get teams that ignore objectives completely and just tunnel vision some immortal Disc Priest in some irrelevant corner of the map while you lose.
It isn’t a good mindset to have, but many people can tell within 10 seconds of entering a Blitz lobby which team will win.
Loading into a Twin Peaks and seeing your team as:
Fury, Arms, Survival, Ret, Shadow, Enhance, Hpriest, Hpriest
Facing opposing team of:
Marksman, Marksman, Frost Mage, Devastation, Unholy, Subtlety, Mistweaver, Hpld
The skill gap to win this has to be larger than the grand canyon. You almost need two of the opposing team to disconnect. This is an extreme, but I’ve seen something similar happen 5+ matches in a row. It’s not a rare occurrence.
Right 
It’s not “pure” luck but more of a weighting that factors in your bad team, their team, and what you will do to have an impact. Can you win games on your own with some clutch accomplishments? Probably. Will you be able to do that / compensate for other players every time. Not a chance.
I guess your best bet out of RNG is to simply do your best with playing each map and learning the nuances and try to keep a positive vibe going since the moment people start to toxify the chat or whatever it has a solid chance of solidifying any pending losses.
But bro searing glare caps. Im at least 6.25% effective…
As Ret I’ve kind of come to the conclusion I’m better off to to just sit a base and try to cap it over and over rather than running around.
I’ve stopped trying to win 99% of the time my team just ignores objectives so now I just play Blitz like random BGs just mid fighting all game its way more enjoyable.
You know what they do in those shooter games and other PVP games. You get presented with players in your team and you give commendations to a player. (other than yourself)
Would be nice that after a couple games we can trade those commendations for w/e.
Details can track CC, Interrupts and Dispels. I don’t care if people pad those numbers, but they would be valuable on the scoreboard. (I rather someone try to pad their dispell and cc numbers)