i have no reason to lie if i was AFKing i would have accepted the punishment and moved on its the fact that i wasnt afk at all i would defend the tower then go north but 90% of time one side would have won before i made it there
Thats why this thread has over 1.4k replies i am one of the many that got an unjust ban and simple want it overturned
That wouldn’t solve anything as I’m trying to make sure we’re looking at the SAME post. Why are you refusing to cite it? Does it not exist? Did you mischaracterize it? Which is it?
When you wrote papers, did you also tell your teachers to look up your citations themselves, instead of nicely citing it for them?
No reason to lie doesn’t prove you’re telling the truth. We can’t know, we can only speculate, which isn’t productive.
And a lot have already been unbanned. Some haven’t. Blizzard has already explicitly stated that some people deserve the ban. I can’t know for sure which category you fall into, and it’s pointless to speculate. So your talking point which is based on an unproven claim is something I’ll have to dismiss, sorry.
No one deserves to be banned for defending objectives in a BG
afking yes but thats another matter blizz needs to make a lot of changes to their automated system so that something like this ban wave doesnt happen again
Oh I understand it is a lose lose.
But if you are getting reported and you are doing damage and/or healing odds are a lot lower you get banned. Remember they aren’t account at all if you are actually working objectives. They just look at reports, damage and healing (because its easy to parse, draw a line in, and then ban below the line) and then slapping you with a suspension if it is to low.
Because truthfully you cannot worry about being reported or not. That can happen for whatever reason. Someone doesn’t like your name, server, level, class, gear level, where you run in the BG, what you do in the BG, do you do what they say in a BG, do you do what someone else says in a BG, and so on and so on. So preventing reports isn’t something you can realistically do because anyone can do it at anytime for any reason and just say “afk” and that’s what the report is. If you do AV a lot, say over a whole weekend in a no life situation, you may get a couple reports a game that add up to 100s. All of those 100s will be “afk” but the truth is its for reasons stated above but they can’t really report someone for “I hate that server” or “I told him to rush to the end and stand on noob hill and he capped a tower” because those obviously don’t get the desired effect.
So all you can do is try to beat the parsing algorithms they have in place that they use to look into players that receive reports. That appears to be primarily based on damage and healing. Sure, no doubt a few other factors come into play but if you make it past that computer cut it feels like the odds of an actual person looking into it goes down and the non-ban hammer is swung.
This is what happens when you let a report system only face consequences going in one direction. You can report for ANYTHING in this game. If you are abusing the hell out of it nothing is going to happen to the reporter. Its only the reported that face the possibility of consequences. Trust me if a ban wave went out this week for 30 days on people that they found ABUSING the report system and false flagging people then a lot of this would stop and we would see crying on the other foot. Its what would happen if you could call the police and SWAT people but then in return the person that was found to be falsely SWATing people was just ignored. So yeah the person SWATed got the door kicked in, house searched, guns pointed at them and their family, all the people that live around them watched it go down. Even if at the end of the day the SWAT team leaves and no charges are handed out you WENT THOUGH that. Then imagine after that the person that calls that in just is allowed to continue SWATing people because for whatever reason it makes them feel good or whatever.
That is the extreme and harsh reality we are facing here.
But that won’t happen. Because you cannot just plug reports into computer and it tells you who the bad actors are. You would actually have to hand sift though them. So for now we basically live in a secret police state where citizens spy on other citizens and reporting protects you and shames/damages others. Its why I won’t be doing AV anymore.
There was a time when I actually worked (now retired) and I had some customer support duties. My customers were the internal dev teams at my employer. We developed banking software for major banks. At that time some of my team’s responsibilities were to work issues and errors. We were very good at it. Nonetheless we were showing a percentage of time designated to “failed” responses. This was essentially spending our time/efforts fixing non-existent problems. As team lead, I was tasked with trending the customers (our developers) for finding where most of the “false” reports were coming from. It was surprisingly easy, and a bit irritating.
Have you tried approaching the powers that be in your circumstance and asked them if they actually validate the sources of these complaints leading to players being banned? Maybe taking the high road could yield some results.
Yeah, I eventually was one of the ones that got things over turned. I was not in the first instant unban wave. But I got reduced to 7. Then eventually a ticket answered that lifted it outright.
So yeah, in a way I worked the system and it worked out for me. But the truth is I shouldn’t have had to go though it. It made no sense. More or less I had to dedicate a lot of time and effort to resolve the situation. Because people just are allowed to freely and falsely report away and that is what directs where the sword will be swung. If people are found abusing the report system they in turn need to be punished. It would put an end to a lot of this almost instantly. Sure, some people might think twice about reporting people BUT THAT IS A GOOD THING. Having to think about why you are pulling the trigger is a good thing. It shouldn’t be an instant and satisfying sense of relief that you are trying to get action taken against someone’s account and yeah they should only do it for real things instead of whatever rage they have drummed up within themselves for whatever reason as a knee jerk response to it.
Very very sad state of how to conduct things in AV when it comes to reports.
I’ve dealt with two BS temporary suspensions for “PvP Non-Participation/Exploitation” now and it honestly makes me not want to risk playing BGs anymore. Players shouldn’t have to worry about how they interact with a battleground if they’re actually participating, especially those who defend points and are at the mercy of their team mindlessly reporting anyone who they think is AFK.
Totally agree. In game systems that are already in place should be the first line of defense. If those are getting triggered it should be the warning to the player. Oh, I am getting the debuff that prevents honor gains and is telling me to get into pvp combat. Oh, I am getting kicked out of BGs I better do something different.
Not those things are in the game but NEVER get triggered. Then you wake up 2 days later without any of those things happening to find out you got 30 (yeah I know, it was reduced for almost everyone to either nothing or 7) because that is not creating a learning behavior. It means you have systems in the game that aren’t functioning so they either need to go, tuned up a bit, or accepted as a base line. Then when players are found bypassing or working themselves AROUND those systems Blizzard then has a case.
It was just a bad situation and obviously they know it.
I don’t disagree. Today I had the doorbell ring while I was in (AV) the mad rush south from our spawn point in the Alliance cave. We had just all gotten to the first bunker and I had to get up and answer the door. It was company I could not shoo away. I typed out a very simple “hey guys I am sorry, I have to drop this BG for company”.
Sounds stupid and childish, but if you want people to understand your intentions, do everything you can to make them understand. When I am watching TP until it burns, I periodically post my “capping” mod results so everyone knows I am actively participating. Shoot some npc’s so you show on the damage report. Sing out on occasion. The point is, try to help yourself in a bad situation.
Bloom is known by even the Community Council, he uses semantics to skirt the rules of trolling. I recommend not engaging, unless for pure mockery or humor.
Even you don’t believe Blizzard on this. But feel free to prove me wrong. Go into AV. Ask every single player to report you afk and see what happens. Be sure to stream it for us.
Damn this really made me sad as all get out to know this is the direction WoW is taking. 
There’s a difference between people “actively” defending a bunker and going to Stonehearth and watching a movie until it’s capped.
It’s not like everyone caught in the banwave was being a degenerate, but from what every player has seen in AV, there are a lot of them.
If a player went do Stonehearth for 30 BGs in a row, did borderline zero damage, and didn’t get any HKs, they weren’t actively playing. If you have your eyes on the screen, there is no situation where staying there every game until it’s capped is correct.
As someone who literally was the one who went to Stonehearth or Iceblood EVERY single game, while actively playing, I can tell you maybe one game out of five I was there until it capped.
-If there are 8 people there, I left
-If there was a minute left with no alliance in sight, I left
-If there was a back cap group, I left
-If there the strategy before joining was a zerg, I left
I’m not accusing you or anyone of being one of the people who chose to “defend” because they could be lazy, but there were sure a lot of people doing it before the banwave, not many now.
If someone want to defend that flag even if the world burns around them that is their prerogative and no one should catch a ban for it.
bro… you were wrong and continue to be wrong, the bans were automated and handed out wrongfully and blizzard has reverted the decision. It’s time to let it go and stop farming posts crying about how everyone who stood next to a flag should be banned. you’ve been baiting people and arguing over absolutely nothing for days. Re-evaluate your life and stay off the internet.
This doesn’t mesh with my experience. I sit the tower until it burns. That is how it should be played. There is rarely a large defensive force at the tower already. I’ve had streaks of games where no recap attempt has been made, but that still isn’t reason enough in my mind to abandon the node. Less defenders = higher chance the node will be attacked. Pretty simple stuff.
When I’m at the tower I usually hop around, place totems, far sight to other towers to check defenses, etc. But all these extra actions shouldn’t be necessary to avoid a ban.
The only thing that should necessitate action (at most being removed from the BG) would be a player sitting at the tower when there was absolutely no strategic relevance, and the only time that would be true is when the tower has long since burned.
Say it again for those in the back.
There is no proof any of the bans were automated. Blizzard even said each and EVERY one was looked at by a team member.
The innocent people, which I think isn’t you, were flagged because the information they had wasn’t the full picture.
All I’ve said every time, is there is no way someone spent dozens of BGs sitting in a bunker, that didn’t get any damage, HKs or contribute to other objectives, was “actively participating”
5 days still no reply to my appeal. I didn’t afk in any BGs my power went out 1 game out of the 70 i played at the start of the game came back 30 day suspension. There has been proof that there is a weak aura that was auto reporting Sub level 70 DKs but blizzard won’t acknowledge this. Again 5 days 0 replies to my appeals meanwhile they are closing free transfers while appeals are still pending. I come to the forums to get some help from a community manager and I’m just getting Ego’d and ignored all day. Idk how anyone can defend this behavior but its completely unprofessional. People are paying 15 dollars a month to sit in queues and get their support tickets ignored by CS and community managers.