If you, either as a developer or a player, are stupid enough to say that forcing people to flag is not forcing them to PvP you deserve the dumpsterfire you get. I’m not into PvP but I am also not stupid enough to think that “I should be able to get this arena gear without having to PvP.” For a long time I have disagreed with making PvE progression gear (whether it be pre-raid BiS or some other point on the path) dependent on PvP but it has been the case since TBC so there it is.
Now, if you are going to make a design choice to force people to flag for PvP then understand that they will get killed by other players and that is not a reportable offense. Also realize that if they are killed in the middle of a fight, if they come respawn in the middle of the fight they are going to get killed again because in the middle of a fight nobody is stopping to see if they already killed this person once… It’s a red nameplate and it must die before it kills you.
Voluntarily flagging for PvP is just that, voluntary. When you do it you give up all right to complain about people actually engaging you in PvP. Feel free to complain to the designer for making a reward that forces you to flag but don’t blame a player who sees you flagged for treating you as if you are flagged. There’s no such thing as a flag with a note that says “but I don’t really mean it”.
What’s so stupid about it is that she’s already said she is rolling PvE so this whole discussion has less than zero impact on her but she still feels the need to be here whining.
I’m likely to be on a PvE server as well but I know what flagging is and will be PvPing when I want to on my terms which the old system made easily possible.
First, let me assure you that this action was not taken due to any participation in world PVP. I can understand how the timing of the action could have led you to that conclusion so I want to make sure we’re clear that it was not related. We would not find actions, such as taking over a flight point or quest hub, to be actionable offenses. Players have the option of disabling War Mode or organizing a counter attack with their own faction to retake the area.
What you were suspended for was ongoing targeted harassment of others. We investigated a report we received and were able to verify that, after being placed on ignore, you continued to harass another player through in-game mail using multiple characters on your account. Your messages were not limited to a single person; you harassed other associates of this player with unsolicited mail. We provide a number of tools to allow players to moderate their own social experiences in-game. Bypassing this feature to continue unwanted interactions constitutes disruptive gameplay and will result in account action, including silencing or suspension from the game.
I hope this helps to clarify the reason for this penalty. I suggest that in the future if someone places you on ignore that you do not try to contact them either directly or through their associates.
There is now a real response to this players ban stating that the action had nothing to do with PvP and everything with his utilization of the in-game mail system to harass another player on multiple characters on his account, as well as friends of said original harassed player. https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/a6va7p/-/ebzmg4w/
Also… Talking of in-game or forum disciplinary action is something you could also get a vacation for.
If someone is banned, or actioned in some way, it is almost always justified and the people they are pleading their case to almost never know the actual story.
Sure. But like I said it’s usually a suspension. And it’s pretty much guaranteed the suspension will expire before they investigate. At that point they won’t do anything for you. It has to be prevented from happening in the first place.
Wait, you are happy that an unrelated event caused the interruption of a portion of the game that people had voluntarily chosen to participate in? What a winner you are. You need to grow up a bit and quit worrying about people enjoying themselves doing something that doesn’t have the slightest impact on you even if you don’t find it enjoyable.
The obvious question here, after seeing the GM response, would be to ask why exactly you can still send mail to people who have you on ignore?
Regardless of this particular case not being the ideal mascot for this issue, this issue is and has been repeatedly proven to be a very legitimate cause for concern, and has no place in either classic nor the live game.
I’d add that their appeal system and claimed review system still involves you being forced to sit in a purgatory state for the duration before those steps actually happen, and can last longer than the auto silence did to begin with.