Have we figured out what the best shadow legendaries are yet? Pve and pvp both?
Nope, no one knows. Definitely don’t google or go to the class Discord, it’s a ghost town
It’s between ectv and talbardars for pve but people are trying to hold off as long as they can to potentially see changes before mythic.
PvP looks like sephuz
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I just back into the game after a couple years. Sorry didn’t know there was a discord
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Yah, his bad for going to the class specific forums to ask a question. God, the logic of people these days right?
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I know, right? Shoulda went to the warrior’s forum.
Maybe I’ll ask there for him.
I think it’s the one that drops off of Blood Council in Nathria. All that extra insanity = more DP’s.
Painbreaker Psalm all day errday.
No. 10char.
Sims say it’s eternal call to the void, but some say that the sims don’t use Talbadar’s Stratagem properly - which I can see that being a difficult one to sim given our normal priority based casting.
For me, Talbadar’s Stratagem is already obtained and it looks like it’ll be awhile before I can hope for Eternal Call, which I hear has a very low proc rate. So I’m leaning towards Talbadar’s… though I tend to get pigeonholed in to healing so I might end up going Focused Concentration first, still haven’t decided.
Probably not a bad idea to wait until the first or second round of tuning.
I’m curious on this as well since I want to make a Shadow Lego next.
We ran a sim for perfect talbadar optimisations and found that we couldn’t get it to do more damage. You were trading getting every blast with 60% damage for not quite casting blast on cd, and once we started digging into the minutiae of the situation we found we couldn’t create a set of rules detailed enough to get it right every single time.
Talbadar’s is behind ECTV on single target, but it does have two things going for it this early on that ECTV does not. Burst and Consistency.
Firstly, ECTV is a pretty high variance proc that’s not always going to be there when you want or need it. ECTV’s variance cannot be overstated, I swear the thing can do everything, nothing, or anywhere inbetween…
Secondly Talbadar’s is much more guaranteed damage during cds and more pointed burst.
There are reasons to go either, even at the top top end, and frankly you definitely could justify either for PvE content right now. It’s important though to understand the exact reasons as to why that’s the case.
I have Eternal Call and it seems to do waaay less DPS than Talabadar’s when used properly. I’ve been in 3-5 minute long boss fights where ECTV only procced 2 times and did around 15k damage. Meanwhile Talbadars has wracked up an additional 200k in that time on mindblast crits. I’m not sure how ECTV can even compete on the sims.
Thank you, that’s an excellent objective analysis. It seems like making the decision on whether to cast MB or wait until you can cast DP first is going to be more of a finesse thing that’s hard to simulate.
It’s just based on a ton of sims. So ectv just averages out to more damage over a large amount of sims.
Gotta add that really… shadow’s legendaries suck. 280 is not a large number.
You can check dps sims for a variety of spec legendaries and find the majority have something around the 400-500 range, some even stronger than that. Balance druid has 5 legendaries stronger than shadow’s first choice.
We lucked out on having a fun and somewhat capable core class, but all the borrowed power elements kinda suck.
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That’s how I’ve been looking at it. Sure none of our legendaries feel LEGENDARY, but boy i am just happy they restored the spec back to its former glory, with a classic blizzard twist.
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The problem with that is, as I have repeatedly said. Good specs are not the ones that are good baseline.
They are the “ok” specs that then got good, scalable borrowed power.
Think back to legion, the good specs had good artifacts.
BFA good specs had good azerite.
If your borrowed power is bad, your spec is bad.
And shadows borrowed power is bad.
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