Iv been trying to look around and find accurate numbers but idk if noxxic or icy veins keep up with hot fixes and they have definitely done a lot.
What is the PVE, like M+ and Raid spec?
I saw some people saying BM is now completely awful at pvp now
warcraftlogs.com has the numbers.
I cannot speak for MM as I don't play it and honestly haven't seen many as far as my groups go. I main survival and I'm top dps typically in the M+ I have ran (alt I just geared so lower keys, but other dps outgear me). I am working on starting BM and its not far behind (once I work out my kinks I think it will be very comparable) I just personally am loving survival.
Now PvP, survival is def the go to spec. HOWEVER, BM is plenty capable in the hands of someone who knows what they are doing in PvP and can kite. Have seen some really good BM PvPers and some equally as awful ones.
I recommend playing all the specs, finding which one is most fun for you, then doing your research on how to maximize your strengths in PvP, getting the most out of your pets, etc.
One big recommendation I have is for all of your attacks for whatever spec, macro them to include your pet attack (when I get home I will check this thread and I can post mine). That helps with the lag time issue of pet attacks and maximizes your damage.
All in all, hunter have a ton of utility, especially from pets (heal, Lust, etc.).
Hope this helps!
Now PvP, survival is def the go to spec. HOWEVER, BM is plenty capable in the hands of someone who knows what they are doing in PvP and can kite. Have seen some really good BM PvPers and some equally as awful ones.
I recommend playing all the specs, finding which one is most fun for you, then doing your research on how to maximize your strengths in PvP, getting the most out of your pets, etc.
One big recommendation I have is for all of your attacks for whatever spec, macro them to include your pet attack (when I get home I will check this thread and I can post mine). That helps with the lag time issue of pet attacks and maximizes your damage.
All in all, hunter have a ton of utility, especially from pets (heal, Lust, etc.).
Hope this helps!
Both BM and SV are viable right now. SV has the highest single target mega focused "I-hit-only-Zul-and-ignore-adds" dps probably in the game, but struggles a bit more on AoE and is lacking in survivability. If patchwerk big %!##@@%* dps is your thing then SV is really good. BM has lower dps, but offers more balance regarding AoE vs ST dps and has the advantage of being ranged. Melee spots are less and more competed so you'll find it easier to get groups as BM.
So in short, BM for M+ for sure. For raiding SV will probably pull higher boss dps.
So in short, BM for M+ for sure. For raiding SV will probably pull higher boss dps.
^^ Survival does fine in AoE, harder to manage since more buttons but very very good still.
10/24/2018 07:35 AMPosted by Elythis^^ Survival does fine in AoE, harder to manage since more buttons but very very good still.
It parses significantly lower on M+ and AoE centric raid bosses though. I get how the AoE rotation works but it's still not quite at the level of "Press multishot and now you're cleaving with your regular rotation". And BM isn't even close to the big AoE guys like Balance.
WoD Survival. Before it got absolutely destroyed by Blizz in the hopes no one would be pissy when they turned it into a melee spec.
Get a time machine and try it out.
Get a time machine and try it out.
Survival scales with content BM doesn't.
Survival is amazing at pvp BM is slightly below average.
MM is the worst spec in the game.
This is the easiest decision of your life.
Survival is amazing at pvp BM is slightly below average.
MM is the worst spec in the game.
This is the easiest decision of your life.
10/25/2018 05:41 PMPosted by MofuggazSurvival scales with content BM doesn't.
Survival is amazing at pvp BM is slightly below average.
MM is the worst spec in the game.
This is the easiest decision of your life.
Survival is melee and BM is ranged.
You're right, it is an easy choice. ;)
Bm is great in all aspects aside from burst aoe.
We have solid ST.
We have solid sustained aoe.
We have amazing survivability.
We have good utility and cc.
We have solid ST.
We have solid sustained aoe.
We have amazing survivability.
We have good utility and cc.
10/25/2018 10:51 PMPosted by MoonuredpsBm is great in all aspects aside from burst aoe.
We have solid ST.
We have solid sustained aoe.
We have amazing survivability.
We have good utility and cc.
We only have great survivability if we sacrifice utility and vice versa.
We have aweful ST burst and sustained in pvp aoe is even worse.
Our CC in pvp is also Terrible.
In pve we have an expiration date we simply don't scale at all with every jump in ilvl we fall further down the charts.
10/25/2018 11:01 PMPosted by Mofuggaz10/25/2018 10:51 PMPosted by MoonuredpsBm is great in all aspects aside from burst aoe.
We have solid ST.
We have solid sustained aoe.
We have amazing survivability.
We have good utility and cc.
In pve we have an expiration date we simply don't scale at all with every jump in ilvl we fall further down the charts.
The fact that they screwed up BM scaling in Legion doesn't make it a natural law that BM won't scale with ilvl. Right now BM is pulling its weight, and you'll notice far far more mythic Uldir logs for BM than SV. Ranged is simply more wanted (and it helps that it's not competing for a melee spot with hilariously busted classes such as DH and Rogue). Anything else is just baseless speculation.
However, I won't lie, SV might lack in a couple aspects but ST damage sure isn't one of those. The rotation is far more entertaining as well. You'll top them charts in fights like Mother where the main focus is ST dps.
Right now it's pulling it weight it was better a month ago,3 months from now assuming no changes we will be flirting with bottom.
10/26/2018 06:50 AMPosted by MofuggazRight now it's pulling it weight it was better a month ago,3 months from now assuming no changes we will be flirting with bottom.
Even If we are bottom we are still fine.
Who cares about logs, just parse well and you will be fine.
10/26/2018 08:48 AMPosted by Moonuredps10/26/2018 06:50 AMPosted by MofuggazRight now it's pulling it weight it was better a month ago,3 months from now assuming no changes we will be flirting with bottom.
Even If we are bottom we are still fine.
Who cares about logs, just parse well and you will be fine.
Uh I care. I dont wanna play the worst spec in the game.
BM isn't enhance where pvp talents give damage that you dont have in pve.
If pve damage sucks pvp damage will be even worse cause of the nerfs.
10/26/2018 09:14 AMPosted by Mofuggaz10/26/2018 08:48 AMPosted by Moonuredps...
Even If we are bottom we are still fine.
Who cares about logs, just parse well and you will be fine.
Uh I care. I dont wanna play the worst spec in the game.
BM isn't enhance where pvp talents give damage that you dont have in pve.
If pve damage sucks pvp damage will be even worse cause of the nerfs.
Hate to tell you this but bm is already dead in pvp.
The problem with BM is that it was over nerfed in the beginning of WOD. Not saying it wasn't warranted but when MM sucks balls that really only leaves one choice to play.….the new DK , survival. Is what it is at this point.....
10/26/2018 09:24 AMPosted by Moonuredps10/26/2018 09:14 AMPosted by Mofuggaz...
Uh I care. I dont wanna play the worst spec in the game.
BM isn't enhance where pvp talents give damage that you dont have in pve.
If pve damage sucks pvp damage will be even worse cause of the nerfs.
Hate to tell you this but bm is already dead in pvp.
I know that. Revert the nerfs.
10/26/2018 10:52 AMPosted by FhreiThe problem with BM is that it was over nerfed in the beginning of WOD. Not saying it wasn't warranted but when MM sucks balls that really only leaves one choice to play.….the new DK , survival. Is what it is at this point.....
And as good as it is hardly anyone plays it cause nobody who was a hunter before BFA rolled hunter to play melee.
10/26/2018 08:48 AMPosted by MoonuredpsWho cares about logs, just parse well and you will be fine.
Ummm, logs ARE the parse... You cannot not care about logs and know if you are parsing well or not.
What did you really mean to mean here?