Or complaining about how what, 7-10 slots of my gear loadout, only mythics give me BiS? No.
You haven’t been reading much what I say if that’s how you’re gonna strawman me.
I’ve said before that harder content should reward better loot.
That is what you’re saying. If you don’t want to best loot then we’re all good.
Which is true, but how you spend it will make it more valuable. Watching grass grow won’t get you rich.
If you just look the number of achievements I have or the stuff I have collected you’ll see that the small grind of benthic is not what would discourage me. The bad state of the game and terrible class design tho. But still that doesn’t mean that I can’t dislike the terrible design also of benthic gear, that could be tuned way better if it wasn’t just the goal to over-reward solo content.
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You can participate in a system and still not like it.
I have all of my BiS benthic pieces socketed and all but one upgraded to 425. I still think it’s a stupid system and the bonuses shouldn’t be active anywhere outside Nazjatar.
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i don’t want the best loot, i want -equal- loot. there are two different debates going on in this thread. related, but still different debates.
if you can get 445 gear from a 25 man raid, i want an option to get 445 gear without setting foot in a raid, even if it takes me longer.
the benthic problem is from lower itemlevel gear having better stats than much higher item levelled gear, which is a problem all on it’s own. i absolutely, unequivocally agree, if you get a 445 drop, it should be at a minimum better than the best possible piece of 420 gear. if an item level 420 belt is better than a 445 belt in any way, that is a design problem and we SHOULD be screaming about it for blizzard to fix. you put in the time, and the work, and the effort, along your chosen progression path and play style, for what most definitely SHOULD have been an upgrade and wasn’t. i’d back you 100% for complaining about that.
if i had a piece of 420 gear, and i spent weeks to months gathering mats, grinding rep, and stocking up currency/tokens to get a piece of 445 gear, and the 445 was a downgrade, i would be LIVID.
Equal loot would mean best in this case, you’re playing with words.
I would admit this is a fair statement.
wat…
this post must be at least ten characters…
This is another thing. The bonuses didn’t have to be active in Palace. Hell, they could’ve been even more outlandish in overworld Naz or even overworld KT/Zand. Having toys is fun and interesting. Having toys that dramatically outclass all tiers of raid loot for six months and are easily available before the door even opens, not so much.
Just simply say that solo content, easier content shouldn’t reward the best loot. If that’s not what you want to say.
I don’t think so. There has always been BiS at the same ilevel items. Raids could have BiS. I think he means non-raiding content offering similar ilevel rewards but are not considered BiS by most raiders.
And you think Blizzard can balance that right?
sorry I’m having difficulty thinking about that happening.
you keep equating solo content with easier. i fundamentally disagree there. we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
exactly. gearing my toons up for certain things, what a raider might consider BiS may not be what i’m looking for. in a raid, or even in a 5 man, you optimize for your role in the group. for solo and open world questing i would much rather have a more rounded out stat spread and less focus on something like a heavy crit build, or what-have-you. without the backup of healers, i’m gonna want a little more survivability than damage, etc
equal doesn’t necessarily mean -the same-
i merely want equivalent item level loot from different progression paths and not just one single way
Also, a lot of your arguments are beating on a dead horse - have been said by “raiders” since BC when PvP epics were being introduced. You think raiding should offer the “best loot”. Fine.
Well for someone that has never gotten an aotc or really far from any cutting. I’d say your experience is lacking to try to compare solo content to mythic raiding.
So because other people have stated similar point of view to mine it should be less true, I’m not sure it works like that.
No, because the history of the game showed that the raiding elitism attitude simply does not work in WoW. Blizzard may step back a little from time to time from being TOO casual (stripping all raid loot from WoD LFR comes to mind), but since BC forward, the loot creep outside of formal raids have always been expanding.
I think the idea of benthic gear is cool.
But so many of the actual benthic pieces are less “Murloc Trading Game” and more “1% DPS”. Because lets be real, when you’re pushing a fight like Ashvane or Za’qul, 2% damage here, 3% crit damage there can be a huge deal when multiplied a dozen times over hundreds of pulls.
But if you’re out in the world, doing half a dozen variations of “collect 12 boar asses”, do you really care about doing the absolute maximum potential damage? Of course you don’t. The Benthic bonuses you’ll care about are ones that reduce your downtime and let you complete quests faster, or let you solo things that you normally wouldn’t be able to solo.
So we’ve got the worst variation of Benthic gear, where it’s impactful enough to be BiS, by far, in the hardest content, all while being deeply unsatisfying to use because you don’t feel like it’s really doing anything.
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raiders have always said that, or most of them have. i think it detracts from the totally valid problem of lower item level gear being better than higher item level gear.
arguing about who gets what level of loot is an entirely different issue than a higher item level piece being a downgrade over a lower one.
Still they always respected the compromise most of the time and when it happened it was mostly only 1 or 2 pieces that was comparable (rarely better) to the latest raid/hardest level of difficulty. Only Legion started this gear festival and just threw everything that made sense before outside the window. And even that if those pieces of gear were from dungeons, that’s still 10 times better than putting it on wqs.
Yeah and the so-called raiding community have ALWAYS complained.
Were you playing in MoP when the complaint was how they had to do LFR if they wanted to complete the tier set bonus or if they wanted to get all their legendary drops if they didn’t manage to clear their raids that week?
cough valor cough
your elitist attitude severely detracts from the more important discussion where we actually have some modicum of agreement on.