Nope. I really don’t know what his deal was that day. He’s never acted anything like this before it was completely out of character for him. I would have understood if we had ran some M+s and it was a HUGE struggle and my DPS was crap. Then I would have taken it upon myself to makes some changes but even with Vyth my dps is still strong on single target.
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Yikes…
No.
Dunno, we told them this would happen though.
Honestly? Why in the world are you staying with that team? They clearly don’t align with your in game values.
If you’re dead set on staying, then that’s what I would do. It’s how I play the game as well. My main (hunter this expac) is built with performance in mind. All of this RP covenant business is a moot point on it as I only care about numbers. My alts? I play w/e the hell I want to play as it doesn’t matter outside of progression.
There are always guilds looking for people. Head over to the guild recruitment forum to see if there’s anyone recruiting. You can also check out your realm forum page. I will admit that most are recruiting for mythic, but there are those looking for heroic.
In the end though, ignoring the entire covenant discussion… This interaction itself is a bit more concerning than whether you should choose kyrian or not. Maybe your RL is young and was just acting out a stupid impulse. Or maybe he has significantly different values than you. My recommendation is to figure out whether you’re a good fit for the guild and move on if not. There’s no point staying in an abusive relationship.
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I’d honestly find another guild. The dps difference between covenants isn’t relevant anywhere beyond bleeding edge progression. If people fail dps checks it’s not because of their covenant(s), it’s because they are playing sub-par.
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I picked Night Fae which is pretty much the worst covenant for Shaman. But I don’t raid a whole lot anyways. Doing heroic dungeons right now and I’ll do raid finder, but I just can’t make the commitment of time to actual raiding so I don’t do it. However I feel I can still say, it sounds like BS that your guild told you covenant wouldn’t matter and then they changed their mind and the RL was an a**hole about it.
There are a LOT of guilds with far better attitude than that so I say find a new one.
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I’m happy you left that guild. Find a new one, covenant abilities make up such a minimal portion of your overall performance.
Stay away from these sweaty people, they turn WoW into a chore - play fun and you will have a better time in progressive stuff around fun people.
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but if theres room for 20 raiders and there are 30 willing to do so. you gotta find a system to decide who should come or not.
who actually made raid-minded decisions could be a factor there…
we dont know everything in this story ; and at the end of the day, the raid leader is right in his own guild. find a new one if they dont suit your style.
To some yes. For some reason people take this video game too seriously & it’s usually because they have nothing else to do in their life.
Only blizzard can answer this.
No, stick with what you like & find another guild. People who act like the leader did are usually just overall terrible people. If they act like that in game, imagine how they act outside of it.
I’m sure that their are.
Overall the GL is a dick & a person who needs to step outside & stop taking a video game so seriously. The whole covenant thing is a fault by blizzard. Really none of them should be better than the others regardless of spec, but we knew going in this wasn’t going to happen because blizzard has no clue how to balance systems in their own game.
You’re guild leader sucks, you should leave, theres a super high chance that the next guild you join will not have such a prick at the top.
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Assuming this topic isn’t a troll, no, raid leader doesn’t have a point. It’s a heroic guild, not Limit or Pieces, and he didn’t see what type of dps OP could do first. The only thing this raid leader is bleeding edge for is stupidity.
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Sounds like a terrible guild you joined. If find a new one.
This is Blizzards fault for putting in a trash system. It’s not the RL fault for wanting to have an optimal group, or OPs fault for making the choice he wanted(the whole point of covenants as stated a million times is to pick what we like by Blizzard.)
This is on Ion and his team to fix and make all choices optimal (impossible) or to decouple power from the covenant choice.
Don’t be a jerk to OP because they are playing the game the way Blizzard intended. This is the failure of the Covenant system.
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You might have been able to fool more people without that. It was a serviceable Troll post, and hit the right notes, until that. Then it just unravelled.
Funny though.
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theres 60 ppl wishing to raid you get to bring 20. youre gonna just coin flip it all?
no, youre gonna select 20 - from some arbitrary rules your raid leader sets.
if youre not happy you go somehwere else. pretty simple.
“kick someone better prepared to make room for me” aint gonna work so well
That’s the thing though, unless you’re playing at the top, you’re already suboptimal and always will be. There are so many ways to improve your DPS than to pick “the best” covenant
Sure, the system isn’t great, but the RL is taking himself way too seriously. For the vast, vast majority of players, a boss kill will not come down to covenant choice.
Troll or not it does highlight that once again covenant choice is an illusion for a vast majority of the player base.
Decouple power from the Covenants.
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I would honestly bounce and reported him for being sexist and whatever else he said to you.
Not really worth getting verbally insulted over something I’m sure that makes little difference unless you’re doing the top content that requires that % difference…if this was true lol.
That said, we are now seeing people are getting the bench because of their choices and it’s sad.
The Covenants are probably going to be yoyoing all through the expansion. I can’t see people constantly going back and forth because Blizzard nerfed and buffed a covenant. This is a mess. So glad I’m a causal lol.
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Very happy to say that our raiding guild could care less about covenant choice. We dont do mythic so it really doesn’t matter which covenant ability you have.(sorry min/maxers. It really doesn’t)
Your former guild leader is just a straight up putz. You’re better off without them.
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The data from beta, and on live, shows the amount of difference a covenant choice makes as being absolutely minimal at best. Also, these abilities are going to get tuned many times. Picking for min/maxing now is a detriment in the medium and long term progression.
Any RL who would force a choice against a player’s own desires has no business leading a raid and should instead look at the data spreads of what abilities actually do damage before they decide to lead people.
Damn straight. There are plenty more progressive guilds out there who do not scrutinise based on covenant choice lmao.
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Just to clear up a few things because some people missed that part: I am no longer in that guild too many things were said that day that probably wouldn’t have been able to get past.
Thank you all so much for reading it and responding.
As far as screen shots this was in discord where we all hang out in pretty much 24/7 but even if it was done in guild chat it’s not my intention to name and shame them. The vast majority of that guild is wonderful it was just the raid leader and up until that point he had never remotely acted or said anything rude. I was honestly shocked. I don’t know why anyone would make this crap up but if you want to call BS go right ahead it’s really no sweat off my…
The ceiling is lower for non optimal picks. That’s the nature of the covenant system. Good or bad player having a lower ceiling because you like one story over another is trash design.
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