If you actually cared about how your character looked you wouldn’t be a Vulpera mage.
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Nope. If it was math based i avoided it.
If you get benched for the wrong covenant then you need a new guild. The “right” covenant isn’t that huge of a difference for normal/heroic raiding guilds. If you are in a guild pushing world first or competitive Mythic raiding then it doesn’t matter. A guild benching people for this is a guild you don’t want to be in.
I stopped being a hard core raider back in WoD and just wanted to do heroic raiding and the guild I am doesn’t bench people for not playing the fotm spec or things like wrong covenant. I love Arcane and Arcane has been dead last or at times bottom 2 or 3 for 2 expansions in a row and wasn’t topping our charts and usually mid of the pack or so but they never made me go Fire.
So yeah. Heroic raiding you don’t need that whopping extra 1% and you won’t be holding back the raid. Find a new guild.
Couldn’t possibly disagree more. Again, you are basing this discussion on the choices of covenant being black and white, right and wrong. Whether a choice, whether it’s a covenant, talent, or otherwise, is “wrong” is largely dependent upon the one using it.
I think people really misunderstand the notion of these choices underperforming or overperforming on average compared to other choices. There are some cases where a talent is really bad and can’t compete even when optimized, but that’s not generally applicable 100% of the time.
I’m sorry but in some cases its glaring they gave very little thought to this in favor of just pushing whatever they think fits best flavor-wise.
Hunter being a great example.
Devs at Blizzard are incredibly talented and smart people, they can anticipate that an AoE skill that somehow is also the best in single target scenario will be preferred by people over a pure single target one with an RNG component on wether or not its even going to do anything.
Yet they don’t think its a problem. That’s what’s confusing about this situation.
Dunno what you’re talking about, the night fae tabbard and cloth set rules. I haven’t unlocked it yet.
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Find me a Venthyr MM hunter in a top 100 guild then.
I’ll wait.
No, that’s ridiculous imo. Some covenants are better than others, but the guild I raid with never even bothered to check anyone’s so far. DPS has not held us back in the new raid so far…nor did it in mythic Nyalotha.
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This thread smells like bait to me.
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Blizzard didnt just pick a covenant and said “yep make this one the best”. Your guild is just having rules and restrictions for THEIR raids/
Ask him if everyone is playing a Bis race , a Bis class and is having their sub paid by him ? If not ask why he is demanding Bis covenant then ?
Kyrian is actually ever so slightly ahead but it is negated by soulshape. The mobility it provides all warlocks alone makes it the best option. Soul rot is also best for aoe. So anytime aff is fighting 3+ targets night fae is best and there is quite a few multi target moments in fights not to mention trash packs.
It is one of those situations where sims show kyrian as slightly better, but some of the stuff that doesnt show up in sims far outweighs the minor difference.
The ops problem is if he uses his covenant ability it can actually be a dps LOSS. Necrolord and Venthyr are just so much worse that I at least understand anyone raiding being concerned. Doesnt excuse behavior, but I get why she would be benched strictly from a performance point of view.
** forgot to mention soulbinds. Night Fae has good soulbinds
Racials are like .1%, covenants are like 3-5%.
I mean…This does sum up most TTRPG groups, lets be real.
I mentioned it earlier, but it basically depends on how much you wanna play Destro.
Night Fae is the all-rounder, but Kyrian is really good in ST and if you play Destro, cleave since you can cleave it with Havoc.
Both are correct choices so long as you know why you made the choice.
Venthyr is about a 15% or so throughput loss over either NF or Kyrian.
Then Blizzard failed to understand both the nature of the community and the game itself.
Way back in ye olde days before Transmog was a thing, the vast majority of players sucked it up and wore their clown suits because it gave them the most power.
If you give the choice between character power and aesthetic/story, the community as a whole will pick power every single time.
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So many times people’s worst tendencies are hidden until something brings it out.
I still remember posting in my ex guild’s discord about how happy the Doctor Who series 10 premiere made me. I was in a great mood and was actually in tears because of how compelling and relatable the story was to me.
Instead of sharing in my happiness a senior member of the guild basically attacked me for being happy told me “there’s lesbiand everywhere in tv now”(2016) and basically told me taht was why I didn’t have a right to be so happy I was in tears.
At that time the only tv show I watched at all was Doctor Who. But that doesn’t even matter. The point was I wad happy and gleeful over a relatable love story. I was not only attacked but was told that I didn’t have the right to be supet happy because supposedly there were tons of lesbians everywhere in shows I either didn’t watch or were not my favourite all time tv show.
To bring it back to raid stuff… This was also the same guildy who aggressively begged me in the guild app when I was incredibly sick to come raid. I said repeatedly how sick I was(I wasn’t even logged in) but they couldn’t start raid unless I came. (note I was not on the raid team at all)
She and the rest of the raid team let me die on the first Boss… And Left me Dead for the entire raid. So they begged a sick disabled girl to log into WoW because otherwise they couldn’t raid and then left me dead the entire raid.
It’s still one of the most disgusting and insensitive stunts someone has ever pulled on me.
I quit wow because of it.
To this day I just cannot imagine the level of disgusting arrogance someone must have to beg someone who is too sick to play WoW to log in and then make it clear you were lying about needing help.
I’m still super nervous about ever doing anything outside of heroic dungeons with a guild because of that incident.
My guild now is absolutely wonderful but that nervousness still is there.
Think what you will, but I promise you, they did not intentionally design it thinking “Okay, we want this one to be the BIS option for RP-Raiders.”
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Yeah, I’m sus of this story.
If this is how your Raid Leader behaves, then I would not be making a post like this in the WoW Forums. I would be looking for another guild so fast it would make his head spin. And the fact the covenant system allowed me to ID such a D-Bag this early on, when I still had time to get in with a new guild just in time for opening raids, would be a net positive of the system.
Me thinks this is a thinly veiled PullTheRipCord activist making **** up.
I think it depends on how much of a dps difference there is, and what type of dps the covenant offers them.
Like people will accept, that there’s one covenant for single target but bad for aoe, one for aoe but bad at single target, and one that’s okay at both. So up to that point choices are still okay depending on what they want to do. It’s when you introduce other choices, that fail to live up to anything worthwhile, where people will have an issue with.
It also will depend on how much of a difference in dps there is. For instance, if we assume that the average dps atm is around 3k single target, (I know some top dogs are pushing like 5k but most people aren’t top dogs) then one covenant being 50 dps lower than the most optimal covenant isn’t going to be a big deal to most. Of course there will be exceptions to this, won’t pretend otherwise. However if we’re talking about a 300 +dps difference which some covenants seem to be then yea that’s a huge problem. Again, there will be exceptions where people just won’t care, but most will take the 10% dps difference in their favor instead of the covenant they actually want to play.
At least that’s how I’ve done things so far, for a few classes. If the damage output is close between what I want and the most optimal setup, I will go for what I want thematically. If there’s a big disparity, then unfortunately damage wins.
I. love this.
I just think they didn’t care and went full steam ahead with the idea that thematic should prime over everything.
In a game that they fully know will be crunched to hell and back (i mean i’m sure you know who Ion used to be in the game right? He’s the pioneer of that mentality). Its just nonsensical and tone deaf at best.