How is Tanking for a beginner that only played as DPS for 4 months in BFA? Realistically speaking.
Would it be to hard to level a Warrior Tank with so little experience/knowledge?
Raids/Dgs/Bgs/wPvP/Leveling/Gearing… Playing like 25-30 hours per week.
Rolling a DPS Class would be like 10 times easier?
Is learning dungeons and raid too complex?
Share your thoughts!
Pretty simple. You get use to it.
You don’t level as tank spec. You leveled as fury (with two handed) and just slapped on a shield when you wanted to tank in a dungeon.
It is easier. But not as fun/rewarding.
Not really. Vanilla dungeons and raids are not really mechanically hard. It’s mostly “Tank and Spank”. Just learn to tab-target sunder and you’re good.
While leveling you’ll want to use a damage build, since you can kill stuff faster and you can tank dungeons while leveling as Fury or Arms anyway.
That said Warriors as a whole are the most gear dependent class and often considered one of the more painful classes to level. Mostly just be prepared to die a decent amount in solo content unless you stay on top of your gear.
Tanking itself isn’t that hard to learn. The leveling dungeons aren’t overly harsh about a tank being inexperienced, which gives you time to learn your abilities and basic awareness. You can also look up guides for tanking now to know more about how the mechanics of certain things work before hand.
With raiding the hardest part is not that it’s complex but rather that raids don’t need a lot of tanks outside of one very specific fight. Getting the raid spot as a main or off-tank can be the hardest part of raid tanking.
However for Warriors the good thing is that you can always fall back on DPS anyway. They’re one of the best damage dealers in the game on top of being the best tank.
First off… leveling in tank spec is fun as hell. Its not as slow as everyone says.
Also, while most say you can tank as dps, just throw on a shield, there is a noticable difference. Nothing inspires me to hop on my tank alt like seeing some vin diesel furion tanking like crap in ST. They can hold threat, but pace management is awful, and when someone screws up, you want the real tank.
The hardest part will be the first few runs in each dungeon. Learning the maps and fights.
There are still some great vanilla guides up that explain stats for tanking, find one you like.
If you can, find a tank who will tank you under wing.
And my personal tip: sometimes I pan the camera out and look down. Helps to catch adds or mistargeted mobs.
you can level as any warrior spec and tank as any warrior spec while leveling. just have a shield and 1 hander, save tank gear, and spam sunder armor. noob dungeons are ez pz
I think he is under the assumption you can just dungeon grind to 60 like you can LFD in retail.
some people will be doing exactly that. while there won’t be a LFD tool there will be groups of people who want to play healers/tanks and just run old dungeons non stop. Was a viable leveling method on pvp servers to avoid ganking. Totally viable if you play a tank and have a healer buddy or two and know someone who is an enchanter. you can end up decently geared for 60 and have a bag of enchanting mats ready for your goodies.
So i’m gonna say this:
If you level as a prot warrior it’s going to take forever, level as 2h fury spec and then respec at max level. You can tank every leveling dungeon as a fury/arms warrior.
For raiding, main tanking is subjectively the hardest raid position. It requires a lot of knowledge about raid fights and basic game mechanics… so don’t do it if you’ve only played BFA for 4 months as a DPS class unless you wanna commit yourself to the game hardcore.
For raiding, you don’t have to be a main tank to be a protection warrior. most guilds have many protection warriors as off-tanks, which is arguably one of the more easier positions in raids during most fights. During some fights your only job is to tank trash and keep buffs up.
I’m going to recommend you roll Warrior to tank, because Warriors can tank any encounter in the game. If for some reason you don’t want to roll Warrior, go Druid. Do not roll Paladin expecting to raid tank, it will not happen except for the unicorn guild who has acres of patience.
So, assuming you went Warrior and you play on a PVP/RP-PVP (let’s hope) server this is what I recommend.
From 10-40, take these talents in the Arms tree:
https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/023050213325100031This gives you the best rage management and threat abilities in the game, and will make leveling 30-40 a breeze once you get your Whirlwind Axe.
From 40-60, I recommend the following:
https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/023050213325100031-05-502301103This will work for all of your pre-BiS farm tanking needs. Defense doesn’t become really super important until you are fighting super hard hitting higher level mobs, like raid trash and bosses.
Your main issue as a Warrior tank leveling up is going to be rage management. This can be hard to teach. Your priority is Revenge, if Revenge is up, the correct answer is always Revenge. Other than that you will be tabbing through the mobs slapping them with Mortal Strike/Bloodthirst/Shield Slam, Sunder Armor, Battle Shout, Demoralizing Shout. Never use Heroic Strike or Cleave if you are under ~40 rage, it isn’t worth it and will tank your TPS. You can and should use Shield Block to help keep Revenge procs coming in, even without talent points in it.
The other thing that you will just have to learn on your own is pulling. In Vanilla/Classic there aren’t that many times where you can safely charge into a pack. Most of the time you will pull them with a gun/bow to a safe spot. Be patient, let that patrol walk a couple more steps down the hall, etc. A good pull that takes a sec to set up is better than a bad one that wipes the group.
At 60, when it is time to raid you will respec for 1g to any of these, which of course you and your guild have to work out.
Main Tank
https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/05005001-05-55240110530201051Off Tank
https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/05-05050005505010051-5520011Have fun
Unless they don’t fix Battle Shout spam, in which case, group with 2 hunters and a warlock, and just keep hitting Battle Shout (you get more threat per party member, including pets).
I don’t know why this would need to get fixed. It is authentic to Vanilla. Battle Shout adds X threat per party member buffed by it when used, just like Vanilla. The only thing we haven’t figured out that I’m aware of is whether or not Improved Battleshout increases it.
Demoralizing Shout is actually a little better to use in those situations, good tanks will be spamming both with Cleave while tab Revenge/Sunder on each.
Heck, just having/gaining Rage does aggro to mobs. Something many DPS Warriors are going to learn the hard way muhahahahaha.
Because it’s fairly goofy that the best tanking strategy involves spamming a party buff over and over? And you’re not supposed to be able to hold aggro in AoE situations like that?
I don’t pretend to be a huge expert on it, I just recall that my casual guild got to Nefarian the night before 2.0. One guy started to explain some elaborate strategy to keep his adds under control.
Then somebody explained that all this was entirely unnecessary. We just needed to have a warrior stand in the middle of the room and hit battle shout over and over. All the adds would stay on him. It worked, and we killed Nef on the third try, which was nice for us, but seems non-ideal for the game.
No, it most certainly will not. Is it slower? Of course. But hey guess what? L60 isn’t going anywhere.
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Okay, if you want to be clearing MC during phase 2 then keep telling yourself that
I can’t disagree that it is a little silly, cheesy even, but it works. Just gaining or having rage does threat. Its a very different time.
When 2.0 dropped, Blizzard apparently thought it was goofy as well so they removed it. I wish I could find those rage threads from tanks that only used Battle Shout, Sunder and Heroic Strike, they literally didn’t know what to do lol. In Vanilla/Classic, it is legit and good tanks should use it.
Sorry, but not each and every person looking forward to classic is going to want to treat it like they are joining Method or EJ.
You don’t have to be in method to not take 6 months to hit level 60. But okay, I know some people like to stay at level 20-30 and RP or whatever they do at level 30.
I wouldn’t recommend it, personally. My recommendation for smooth Warrior leveling including tanking is always Arms.
Prot is super good when you are getting hit very, very hard. You need that kind of rage income to make it work. Out leveling and stuff you will often kill mobs by whiddling them down with white swings before having enough rage to press a button. It isn’t as fun as people think it might be.
The other problem is that Shield Slam scales from Block Value, which at lower levels the only source of that is from your shield itself. At advanced gear levels at 60 it becomes a hard hitting ability, but not until then.
Give the 6 months to L60 garbage a rest.
You’ve got some really bad insight and advice. Please just stop.
I leveled two warriors in vanilla, UD and Bull.
A good tank spec, well played, is a machine right around STV, with almost zero down time. On yellow mobs.
Have you actually tried it, or are you rehashing the opinions of others like 99% of the people on this forum?