Been seeing a new type of botting/gold-farming

[Teufelgott-shadowsong (Teufelgott)]

Okay, I’m walking away now. The amount of tin-foil being employed by OP seems to be having an adverse effect on logic and reason.

[Iandore-thrall]

@Perl-anetheron

@Iandore-thrall

all of you could have easily not responded if what I was reporting was so unremarkable, but instead you chose to attack.

No, we chose to try and correct you. You don’t seem to be willing to understand or accept that though. So I’m really not sure what the point of you posting here is now.

Best of luck.

To talk about exploiting of the game, in case that was also glossed over in your desperation to sass.

Is there a point to personal attacks in a customer service thread? that was ysthens favorite, so I can understand why he was forcibly removed from his services, but what purpose does it serve for users to make the cs forums toxic in the place of bad gms?

[Banewulf-terokkar]

Right click and report your suspicions and move on.

The forums are not for reporting in game issues. There are no GMs on the forums.

Btw? Multiboxing and AH sniping are not botting.

Report your suspicions, because that is all they are, using the proper venue ( in game using right click) and move on

The forums are not a way to report your suspicions.

[Rufflebottom-bloodhoof (Rufflebottom)]

@Iandore-thrall

bots are being used to trawl the ah 24/7, then automatically removing all items once undercut to the re-up the items that were undercut. these are common and well known in other mmos and they have found their way here apparently.

Correlation does not imply causation. Just because other MMOs have them does not mean they are here. There are players who only play WoW to play the AH. They have stacks of items in their bags. When someone undercuts them, they just post a new stack and possibly cancel the old stack. Then they go to the mail box every so often to restack the items.

Addons like Tradeskillmaster can do this. It is not a bot. Unless you are on 24 hours a day posting items you have no way of knowing how often they are doing it. Third-party sites do not have 100% correct information. A lot of information passed on to them is batched to limit it’s impact on the servers. So while it may look like someone is online 24/7 on those sites it doesn’t mean they actually are.

@Iandore-thrall

gold sellers are using groups of exactly 10 multiboxers to farm herbs to sell on the ah, but their groups are causing so much lag that you can farm herbs multiple times when they are near.

You are making a huge assumption here. That it’s gold sellers doing it. Gold sellers don’t normally farm any more. They steal accounts, liquidate the assets and pass the gold on to their holding characters. Multi-boxing is allowed but not supported. That means that someone can multi-box as many accounts as they want to but Blizzard won’t help them do it.

It is highly unlikely that someone is multi-boxing 10 accounts to farm herbs. Only five(5) players can pick a node and then it despawns.

The servers are not lagging because of the multi-boxers. You system might be, but not the servers.

@Iandore-thrall

these multiboxers were all going in circuits and making lag to exploit gathering. the state of the game makes so much sense when stuff like this is just handwaved. unless there is some skullduggery going on behind the scenes.

Saying over and over again doesn’t make it fact. Nothing you have posted is fact.

@Iandore-thrall

so you are all using the same grammar, syntax, and rhetoric and posting one after the other because of… a hivemind?

No. It’s because we have seen and answered this many times over the last 15 years. So has Blizzard.

@Iandore-thrall

once more, gold sellers in other games have been cracked down on to the point of only being left with auction exploiting. seems to be the same way here because why require their workers to have to learn new methods of exploitation? also how would they steal accounts with 2 factor authentication basically being required? this isn’t the mass account stealings of 2010 (though blizzard denied that was a thing when it was going on).

Not true. The stealing of account is their primary way of getting gold to sell. Two-factor authentication is not required, it is suggested though. No where when you create a Battlenet or WoW account does it say you need to have two-factor authentication.

@Iandore-thrall

again, why should I help the company if they seem to give their direct support to toxic "sfa"s and care for nothing about what is really harming the community?

There has been no SFA post in this thread. Their posts are Blue.

@Iandore-thrall

all of you could have easily not responded if what I was reporting was so unremarkable, but instead you chose to attack. I responded to refute now you continue to attack out of revenge for making you all look petty and incompetent.

You haven’t refuted anything. You have posted your opinion, not facts.

@Iandore-thrall

honestly, why get in the way of that self-destruction if the company hates their game so much?

Trolling this forum is not making you look correct. It doesn’t make you look smart. It doesn’t add any credibility to your posts.

@Iandore-thrall

Is there a point to personal attacks in a customer service thread? that was ysthens favorite, so I can understand why he was forcibly removed from his services, but what purpose does it serve for users to make the cs forums toxic in the place of bad gms?

Then stop being toxic. As well, there are no GMs on the forum. Calling them “bad” and your snipes about Blizzard are the toxicity you are complaining about. If you don’t want toxicity in the game or in the forum stop doing it yourself.

[Iandore-thrall]

what is the argument that it is not gold sellers? it happens 24 hours a day and just about everyone I have met knows what it is.

the multiboxers are making it so the same node can be farmed multiple times. how is this my connection when it is the nodes themselves being affected?

you cannot sneer this away, nor will denial or personal attacks make this better. I am not your scapegoat, and you are not clever with alt accounts.

haven’t seen that alinsky tactic of flooding circular responses in a while in the hopes I cannot respond to all of them. Fortunately, all your points are already answered by the parts you cut out of your fisking.

also, what is the point of the cs forums if there are no gms? gms tell you to come to the forums when you have something like this to say.

also:

@Iandore-thrall

Is there a point to personal attacks in a customer service thread? that was ysthens favorite, so I can understand why he was forcibly removed from his services, but what purpose does it serve for users to make the cs forums toxic in the place of bad gms?

[Rufflebottom-bloodhoof (Rufflebottom)]

To answer your question about multiboxing, Blizzard has a Support page for it.
Is Multiboxing Okay? - Blizzard Support

@Rufflebottom-bloodhoof

It does not “require” third-party software. It can be done entirely with hardware. A computer for each instance of WoW. Then either synchronized wireless keyboard and mouse dongles, or wired mouse and keyboard and a splitter. That is how it was originally done. That is why it is called “multi-boxing”.

It is not against the rules. It is not against the EULA. It is permitted, but not supported. That means you are allowed to do it but Blizzard will not help you set it up to do it.

[Rufflebottom-bloodhoof (Rufflebottom)]

@Iandore-thrall

also, what is the point of the cs forums if there are no gms? gms tell you to come to the forums when you have something like this to say.

GMs only answer tickets. They do not post on the forums. That is not their job.

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The Blues who post in the Support section of the forums are SFAs, not GMs.

@Iandore-thrall

Is there a point to personal attacks in a customer service thread?

Be the change you want to see. Stop posting personal attacks yourself. That includes dissing Blizzard and GMs and SFAs.

[Iandore-thrall]

@Rufflebottom-bloodhoof

To answer your question about multiboxing, Blizzard has a Support page for it.
Is Multiboxing Okay? - Blizzard Support

@Rufflebottom-bloodhoof

It does not “require” third-party software. It can be done entirely with hardware. A computer for each instance of WoW. Then either synchronized wireless keyboard and mouse dongles, or wired mouse and keyboard and a splitter. That is how it was originally done. That is why it is called “multi-boxing”.

It is not against the rules. It is not against the EULA. It is permitted, but not supported. That means you are allowed to do it but Blizzard will not help you set it up to do it.

I know what multiboxing is, even did it myself to raf level years ago. like with your alt, you were so busy trying to sass me for brownie points you forgot to read my message. you just saw the word “multiboxer” and thought “I GET TO OWN THIS KID, MVP HERE I COME!”

@Iandore-thrall

I made two very clear points in the OP:

1. bots are being used to trawl the ah 24/7, then automatically removing all items once undercut to the re-up the items that were undercut. these are common and well known in other mmos and they have found their way here apparently.
2. gold sellers are using groups of exactly 10 multiboxers to farm herbs to sell on the ah, but their groups are causing so much lag that you can farm herbs multiple times when they are near.

you and your two alts were so busy trying to sass me over claiming multiboxing is permitted that you forgot to read my post.

and for the third time:

@Iandore-thrall

Is there a point to personal attacks in a customer service thread? that was ysthens favorite, so I can understand why he was forcibly removed from his services, but what purpose does it serve for users to make the cs forums toxic in the place of bad gms?

@Iandore-thrall

all of you could have easily not responded if what I was reporting was so unremarkable, but instead you chose to attack. I responded to refute now you continue to attack out of revenge for making you all look petty and incompetent.

cutting out the parts of my messages you know you cannot answer with intellectual honesty does not make them go away.

[Rufflebottom-bloodhoof (Rufflebottom)]

@Iandore-thrall

cutting out the parts of my messages you know you cannot answer with intellectual honesty does not make them go away.

Saying the same wrong information over and over again doesn’t make it right.

I have not made any personal attack on you. You on the other hand have made personal attacks on GMs, SFAs, Blizzard, and other posters. Don’t talk about toxicity on the forums when you are one of the ones supplying it.

[Iandore-thrall]

are these "sfa"s you and the others? because that would explain a lot.

once more:

@Iandore-thrall

all of you could have easily not responded if what I was reporting was so unremarkable, but instead you chose to attack. I responded to refute now you continue to attack out of revenge for making you all look petty and incompetent.

[Rufflebottom-bloodhoof (Rufflebottom)]

@Iandore-thrall

sfa

SFA is Support Forum Agent. They are Blizzard employees. They post in Blue. They moderate the Customer Support forum.

Customer Support is a public forum. Any player with an account in good standing is permitted to post in the Customer Support forum. They do not need your permission to post in this thread. You do not get to dictate who posts or what they post or how they post.

You complained about toxicity in the Customer Support forum, but you continue to post and/or quote your own toxicity. The only one looking “petty and incompetent” is you.

In case you missed it, the correct way to report suspected botting is using the right-click>report player for>cheating option while in the game. Give a brief description of what you believe they are doing.

Reporting Code of Conduct Violation

World of Warcraft®

To report a player in World of Warcraft:

1. Right-click the player’s name in chat.
2. Click Report Player For:
3. Select the most appropriate option.
4. Click Accept .

[Mythox-aggramar (Mythox)]

@Iandore-thrall

again, why should I help the company if they seem to give their direct support to toxic "sfa"s and care for nothing about what is really harming the community?

I’m not an SFA ( no blue text) Trying to educate you some isn’t an attack, far from it. Also the forums aren’t an end run around the reporting or tickets ( they don’t monitor the forums for reports).

[Teufelgott-shadowsong (Teufelgott)]

@Iandore-thrall

also, what is the point of the cs forums if there are no gms? gms tell you to come to the forums when you have something like this to say.

Read the stickies. They tell you exactly what a particular forum is for.

[Iandore-thrall]

@Rufflebottom-bloodhoof

You complained about toxicity in the Customer Support forum, but you continue to post and/or quote your own toxicity. The only one looking “petty and incompetent” is you.

no, I complained about people attacking me for cheap hits, then out of revenge when I made them look bad. you are still attacking me for revenge at now 3 indistinguishable users deep.

I can understand you claiming that I have no case here, but to viciously dogpile me for funsies and then out of revenge is utterly absurd.

Have a problem with what I said? Ignore it. but you don’t ignore it and you didn’t, you attack over and over again. why? because I made you look bad when you thought I would just sit back for some cheap shots at me. this thread has been over at least 3 times now, but then the dogpile commences once more out of a pathetic need to “look big.”

I do not see how a single one of you pretend-mvp dogpilers serve the company’s image. I know I am just defending myself, but why are you here in this thread at this point?

@Mythox-aggramar

I’m not an SFA ( no blue text) Trying to educate you some isn’t an attack, far from it. Also the forums aren’t an end run around the reporting or tickets ( they don’t monitor the forums for reports).

so what is the plan here? you ignore the single important part of my message:

@Iandore-thrall

all of you could have easily not responded if what I was reporting was so unremarkable, but instead you chose to attack. I responded to refute now you continue to attack out of revenge for making you all look petty and incompetent.

you ignore it because it makes you look bad, therefore the endless cycle of revenge whenever I stand up for myself.

but also,

@Iandore-thrall

honestly, why get in the way of that self-destruction if the company hates their game so much?

if they love the toxicity that much then they deserve what it does to the game.

[Rufflebottom-bloodhoof (Rufflebottom)]

@Iandore-thrall

no, I complained about people attacking me for cheap hits, then out of revenge when I made them look bad. you are still attacking me for revenge at now 3 indistinguishable users deep.

No one attacked you. You on the other hand have attacked many posters.

@Iandore-thrall

I can understand you claiming that I have no case here, but to viciously dogpile me for funsies and then out of revenge is utterly absurd.

No one is doing anything out of revenge. We are correcting your misinformation. If I want to dog pile someone for “funsies” I’ll PvP in game.

@Iandore-thrall

Have a problem with what I said? Ignore it. but you don’t ignore it and you didn’t, you attack over and over again. why? because I made you look bad when you thought I would just sit back for some cheap shots at me. this thread has been over at least 3 times now, but then the dogpile commences once more out of a pathetic need to “look big.”

I’m not attacking you. You haven’t made me look bad. You have made yourself look bad though. No dog pile. The only one trying to “look big” is you.

@Iandore-thrall

I do not see how a single one of you pretend-mvp dogpilers serve the company’s image. I know I am just defending myself, but why are you here in this thread at this point?

I do not see how your attacks of other players and of Blizzard and it’s employees serve the company’s image. You didn’t need to “defend” yourself. You just needed to say “thank you” for the correct information provided. You attacked other posters because they didn’t agree with your assessment.

@Iandore-thrall

so what is the plan here? you ignore the single important part of my message:

You don’t get to dictate how someone posts, what they say, what part they respond to. The only poster you have any say over is yourself.

@Iandore-thrall

you ignore it because it makes you look bad, therefore the endless cycle of revenge whenever I stand up for myself.

You keep quoting it but it still doesn’t make it true. You chose to argue because others didn’t agree with your assessment. No one is required to agree with you. Report the players you “suspect” of cheating/botting in-game.

@Iandore-thrall

if they love the toxicity that much then they deserve what it does to the game.

You are the toxicity you keep talking about. You are the one attacking Blizzard and it’s employees. You are the one attacking other posters. You are the one making the snide remarks.

[Nobully-blackrock (Nobully)]

pretty sure there’s nothing more to be added here.

…but i would like to clarify that all of these posts are from individual users from different parts of the planet… not someone switching between alts to troll.

If you think someone is breaking the rules, report them in game.
if you think you found a bug, report it in the bug report forum.

[Jimmylee-bronzebeard (Jimmylee)]

There seems to be a misunderstanding of what the Customer Support forum is designed for.

As Banewulf said, the forums are not a way to report issues. The Blues here are only for the forums.

The forum itself is a Player to Player help forum. Folks post their potential problems and some of us try to help them. The Blues will often correct us when we either don’t give the proper information or support us when we’ve said the proper answer.

You accuse people of sock-puppeting because they are all saying the same thing over and over. There is a reason for that: They have dealt with the same thing over and over and know that either:

1. There is a certain way to solve the problem or
2. Nothing can be done about it

You have been given the proper avenue’s to try and resolve your issues of potential cheating. Personally attacking someone because you feel attacked does not make it better, it just gives an easier reason for the topic to be closed.

Maybe it should have been.

[Rufflebottom-bloodhoof (Rufflebottom)]

@Jimmylee-bronzebeard

Maybe it should have been.

This forum is not staffed 24/7.

[Jimmylee-bronzebeard (Jimmylee)]

@Rufflebottom-bloodhoof

@Jimmylee-bronzebeard

Maybe it should have been.

This forum is not staffed 24/7.

I know. That was more thinking out loud.

[Mastadôn-thrall (Mastadôn)]

Sadly, I have experienced the node thiing a few times. But with nobody near me so j don’t think thus is a case of A causing B

When it did happen it was a rich vein and I looked in my log. I had received 2. The second tap gave me 4 or 5 so I just think it was a matter of the node not giving its full yield for the tap.