So in the spirit Christmas I just wanted to say something. I realize there is A LOT of tension between the Alliance and Horde, especially after the events of BfA. I understand that there will be those that will not forgive the Horde for what we did to teldressil. I invite you to entertain the fact that the old horde is dead. Saurfang’s sacrifice is a turning point for the whole history of Azeroth. The new horde council that consists of Baine, lorthermar, Thrall etc honestly seems to me that the history of the violent, warmongering horde that Blackhand started back in the day is over. We all ask the alliance, however hard and unjust it may be, to forgive us for our numerous sins. I think that Anduin is the best king the alliance has ever had. I feel like with him and the new horde council we can finally, after all of these years and countless battles and bloodshed, we can finally find peace. Because when it comes down to it, Azeroth, she needs us, just like we need her. She’s our light in the darkness, without her we won’t make it in this vast, cold, unfair universe where godlike beings don’t even care about lesser beings like us. Together, we can take it all on. Apart, we can’t. In the words of Varok Saurfang, we’re breaking the cycle. When it comes down to it, we’re all children of Azeroth. We’ve proven time after time that together we can achieve the impossible. Let’s make all of the lives that have been lost, whether they be horde and alliance, actually mean something. Let’s put aside our differences, let’s become one.
Merry Christmas my brothers and sisters, and happy new year
That is not true, loyalists and those high in command are forgiven their crimes, they aren’t punished and/or dead and they are going to do it again if they are in the position to.
You mean like Garrosh’s death was a turning point?
Maybe if the horde (not the players, the horde in the lore) apologized for their horrible crimes and actually felt some regret for it, but there are no signs of such things. First step is rebuilding and then leaving Night Elf lands.
Until the horde commits genocide again, and Anduin is acting more in the favor of the horde than the alliance.
Yea, every time the horde commits some horrible and unforgivable crimes to the Alliance, there are more important things.
Blizz still hasn’t given me a reason to fight N’Zoth over the Horde at this point, the Horde seems like a greater threat.
Anduin already kind of signed a peace treaty in the blood of his allies so you can be happy I guess
In BfA the horde has painfully killed tens of thousands of innocents and sent them to eternal torture and shown that they regret not a single second of it, how can anyone even think about peace with the horde. The whole thing becomes even worse when they celebrate after killing civilians
weird,is rare to find people “pro-peace” in the horde like you.
i do not wish to make you feel bad, so please, keep in mind that in this forum we have a lot of people who still are hungry for blood and probably they will always be. so if you want to stick around here,i suggest that you keep an open mind about that. otherwise i believe that you would not have a great time here.
as for the horde, i hope that blizzard starts “showing” and not “telling” that they have changed.
Saurfang saying that he is breaking the cycle means nothing when he started the damn war invading the nelfs for no reason in the first place.
Blizzard also failed to give us a reason to care about azeroth when the horde seems to be a bigger threat than azshara and n’zoth combined.
Pretty much boils down to the idea that “Old” Horde is dead only so long as Blizz doesn’t get board again and take the Faction for a joy ride … again.
Doesn’t matter if the Warchief position is gone. Doesn’t matter if we have a new Council system comprised of probably the single most “Alliance Neutral at Worst” leaders you could throw together. Doesn’t matter how the Horde changes if the fundamental problem is how Blizz chooses to write the faction. Which … apparently is nothing but a burden to write stories around when there is a big bad to fight; and a plot device to settup the next big bad when we’ve finished with the last.
He puts the well being of his people over anything, they’ve already suffered so much from the Scourge, loss of the Sunwell, then Kael’thas’ betrayal. They were left with little in numbers, as much as he wanted to intervene against Garrosh doing so by himself meant putting his people in danger, that’s not weakness, that’s avoiding rushing to stupid decisions.
With Sylvanas he had already seen how she was when she wasn’t Warchief, putting threats on him so he would send soldiers to support the Horde, now that she was Warchief imagine what he could have done had he disobeyed. Unlike Baine who put Mulgore into danger.
Lord’themar is easily the best horde leader.
he puts his people interests first and foremost, it doesn’t matter if he is betraying the warchief that is treating his people like thrash or literally working with his enemies to defeat either a big bad or a corrupt warchief, under his leadership the belfs regained the sunwell, got some part of the power of the thunder king with anima and participated in azshara’s defeat.
Don’t mind Baine beyond his needs as a “token good Horde” plot device always coming at the expense of his characterization. Conceptually, the guy’s basic character infrastructure is pretty solid … its just he’s always used in really miserable ways.
See, I don’t really think Blaine is being used against his characterization at all.
Everything he has done is totally within his Characterization. The issue comes with having to put his character up against the OTHER badly done Characterizations in game.
I mean, of course he’ll try to make peace with his enemies because that’s that kind of person he is. Of course he’ll Turn against a Corrupt Warchief.
You put him any ANY situation and he’s going to react the same way because his character is so soundly written. How he acted during BfA is completely within character. It’s everyone ELSE is so badly done that he seams like the Odd man out by comparison.