How is it performing so far (burst windows, sustained dmg, CC etc.)?
It’s garbage right now, zero burst currently (We had a small amount of burst before with Call of the Wild) and now zero sustained pressure due to Basilisk Collar nerf and 20% nerf to Kill Command in PvP combat.
I would not recommend trying BM in Shuffle or any PvP right now with the current state it’s in.
Oh man, that’s so lame. Thanks for the info though!
Hey dude. I strongly disagree with the guy above. I’ve been playing BM Hunter in PvP for weeks now. In fact I only play PvP with my BM Hunter.
I’m crushing it in BG’s and Arenas.
BM Hunter survivability is fantastic. I use a pet with Pathfinder that gives +12% to run speed and slows the enemy by 50% every 6 sec. I have enchants on some gear that also increase ls my run speed and BM Hunter is the ONLY class that can do FULL dps while moving. The fact that our pets do most of our dmg makes it so when you’re not in line of sight you’re still DPS-ing the enemy like crazy. The ability to kite the enemy and to escape out of combat as a BM is insane and amazing. I have an absolute blast at BM Hunter for PvP. In random BG’s I’m always in top 2 dps and for rated BG’s I’m in the top 7. Arenas are super easy cause the amount of kiting we can do. Sure we don’t do as busy damage as a MM but in any Arena or BG I always can kill a MM before he kills me.
BM Hunter for PvP is awesome and crazy fun.
We also Deff have a burst. When you pop Call of Wild and the other two CD’s. With an interrupt or two the enemy will always be dead.
I’m trying rated PvP for the first time this season and I’m struggling a lot with it. My spec has always been BM and I like it alot but I’m having a really hard time in the battlegrounds. I know alot of it is me but I rarely see other BM hunters in the battlegrounds. I’m not sure what I need to be doing to improve but I’ll keep trying.
Do you use a sequence macro to trigger all your burst cds, or do you hit them individually? I’m trying to figure out the best way to melt someone in the shortest amount of time based on which cds i should use together with their globals if that makes sense?
Could have sworn a few weeks ago I saw some planned changes to their damage and it looks like they might be nightmares to deal with soon.
I trigger them individually so maybe that’s what I’m doing wrong
I don’t have any macros, so individually. I have bars and abilities right by my characters feet on the screen. So super easy to click. Same with my traps.
If you’re looking to melt and kill a single player fast as you say, MM may be your style. They have a lot more burst than BM BUT they also have a bit more downtime than a BM. And when a MM is on cooldowns they are kinda like sitting ducks. BM is for the long game and MM is to melt a single targets face every couple min.
Both are fantastic and will carry you. I just think BM is way more fun to play. Nothing like being able to out survive some melee while they beat on you and you just easily
Keep a distance from you, killing them. I’ve bet I have players screaming at me. Some of my battles are epic.
He’s wrong lol bm is doing fine and has even seen a decent amount of play in the awc in fairly sure. Sure you may not just run people over instantly like when it’s over tuned but that doesn’t make it bad. It’s very minimal effort for really good results tbh. Pve it sounds to be lackluster but in PvP he’s wrong.
After the latest round of nerfs, I have not seen any BM hunters in AWC, but I could be wrong and missed a match.
What recent AWC matches are you referring to where you saw a BM?
I don’t think there was one and this is primarily due to them not doing any damage anymore in a PvP setting.
Ah yes, the couple highest ranked BM Hunters in the world (Hogx and Yoske) saying BM damage was bricked in PvP with the latest patch is just their lack of game knowledge right? You must know way more than those 2 players in Arena I bet. Sorry I forgot you have tons of BM knowledge…dude you don’t play the spec, you don’t like the spec, you don’t even know what the spec does honestly in or out of PvP lol. If you did you’d understand after the changes that went in on Tuesday of LAST WEEK…bricked BM Hunter damage.
The planned changes were nerfing Basilisk collar to provide 2/4% bonus damage per DoT for pets vs 4/10%…so no, there will be no changes to BM Damage until probably anniversary patch.
Also…you mean the single team in US AWC Bracket finals who put in the BM Hunter one match and got completely run over by Feral/Spriest because BM Hunter damage just couldn’t keep up or secure a kill with the Ele Shaman? You mean that game? Yea I watched that, was sad to watch.
BM Hunter seemed fine to me when I played it this weekend. Did some 3s on the main Hunter with it. Well technically I did some MM games too but the majority of the 3s spent was playing BM. Did some shuffles on one of my alt Hunters with BM and it felt good there too.
That’s what I’m saying some people are coping hard lol. It might not be op anymore but it’s still strong I’d say and still gives great results for minimal effort like usual.
I hear this minimal effort stuff and immediately know your biased against bm. Basalisk collar nerf hit bm hard. Then the stealth nerf of 20% to kill command when blizz forgot to add the pvp modifyer to bm means bm lost 5% damage plus the 20% to kill command that was meant to rebalance it.
I played mm last night and maybe its my playstyle but mm to me feels easier since you can literally ignore your pet till u want to stun. Then while bm has 3 burst globals plus dire beast you have 4 while mm just has 1 true shot.
On top of that bm has black arrow, barbed shot x3, kill command, kill shot, and cobra shot thats 5 buttons weaved in damage profile plus dire beast on cd. And you habe to micro manage pets 100% harder.
Now compare that to mm 1 burst button trueshot. Rotation buttons black arrow, kill shot, aimed shot, arcane shot., rapid fire, and Volley. Thats 6 moves on rotation.
Not counting repeating moves that means bm has 8 gcds of different moves, mm has 7 gcds of moves.
So now bm can move while shooting…the only move mm cant move during is literally aimed shot…funny part is mm arcane shot hits hard so you just use it when ur trained in place of aimed shot and you become 100% mobile. Then when ignored you go back to aimed shotting. Sometimes you get a instant aimed shot too.
I did 233 million like 70 mil more than the next closest guy yesterday as mm in the first bg ive played as mm ever. Was expecting harder from the claims everyone makes about bm being easy.
I may be swapping to mm for the first time of any expac due to getting to ignore my crowd controlled pets instead of having to use mend pet cleanse in my rotation to get pets out of cc as bm.
What’s kind of crazy is that people still are under the mindset that BM is a mindless rotation class yet during our “Burst” window we have to
- Make sure 3 stacks of Barbed shot are active - 3 globals spent
- Bleed target with Bloodshed - 1 global
- Pop Beastial Wrath - 1 global
- Pop Black Arrow - 1 global
- Pop Call of the Wild - 1 global
- Then maybe get in 2 or 3 Kill Commands - 2-3 globals
- Redo Barbed Shot DoT to maintain 3 stacks - 1 or more globals.
All in all you are spending 10 or more globals just to achieve maybe a 10 second burst windows before DoTs fall off and you lose insane damage.
Now I get why they want us moving away from Basilisk Collar because having to maintain this amount of globals just to do mid-tier burst in PvP is absolute trash and pigeon holes BM into almost never having enough time to trap or do anything else but PvE rotation. But they should have redesigned BM before gutting our only form of meaningful damage.
Considering doing all of this while also maintaining positioning, or kiting, or trying to spend a 2x globals stun/trapping healer or Chimeral shotting healer really doesn’t leave much room for anything else.
A lot of the times I find I have so many buttons to hit just to achieve low-tier “Burst” it’s almost not even worth the globals since the burst on BM is so abysmal.
Oh and honestly Survival Players cope even harder if they think their rotation is even remotely as difficult as current BM setup lol. MM is even easier. Survival is literally
- Coordinated Assault
- Spear Head
- Wildfire bomb spam
- Kill Command x3
- Mongoose/Raptor strike
Survival used to be more complex back in Shadowlands when you actually had to pay attention to the buff your bombs gave you and adjust your rotation based on the buff…now? It’s literally mindless proc spamming with 2 GCDs to actually achieve burst.
And like I said MM is even easier…
- True Shot
- Explo Shot (If you even talent this)
- Black arrow
- Rapid Fire
- Aimed shot (Wailing Arrow with talent)
- Target will probably be dead or almost dead from this alone (if not repeat Rapid Fire)
Literally mindless Rotation, way less GCDs and much higher kill potential. Oh and if you talent it, you can hit people behind Pillar with Aimed shot and Rapid Fire.