11/15/2018 07:39 AMPosted by IronsidesYour pet will do 5% more damage from 10-59, and when you finally hit 60, your pet will continue doing 5% more damage.
Thank you sherlock.
Anyone with XP of classic PvE n PvP as orc BM?
Troll for mm and survival.
At least that's how I remembered it.
Tauren were mainly just prot wars and druids.
11/15/2018 07:50 AMPosted by Låynestaley
Thank you sherlock.
Anyone with XP of classic PvE n PvP as orc BM?
I've got plenty of raid experience as 20/31/0. What mystical nugget of knowledge are you hoping to get? It's one of the most plain and simple racials out there.
It's a 5% boost. If other pets hit for 100 damage, yours will hit for 105 damage. Is it going to break your dps if you aren't an orc? No. It won't make it either. You likely will not even notice it unless you have a slow hitter pet like the winterspring bear.
If you're looking to min/max your dps, you're going to play a troll.
11/15/2018 08:01 AMPosted by ChilelaAlso worth noting that pets don't really deal damage in raid environments. The AoE damage reduction that they have in retail isn't present, so they get destroyed in most boss encounters rather quickly. This is why most hunters run the LBRS wolves at 60: Their Furious Howl buff is the most useful thing a hunter pet can have in a raiding environment.
This is a myth. Most hunters run wolves because they're too lazy to micromanage their pets. You can use a pet effectively on the vast majority of fights. It all comes down to your ranged weapon and how comfortable you are with managing your clip.
11/15/2018 08:06 AMPosted by DesodeleterUh, isn't It a problem that your pet doesn't scale with your gear in vanilla? Like as a fresh 60 doesn't your pet hit just as hard as a hunter in Naxx gear?
It does. It's still a decent chunk of change when you spec 20/31/0 though. Throw a juju strength and have your paladins buff it with might and kings and it gets to be a pretty decent part of your dps. I don't recall if they benefit from totems off the top of my head, but they should.
I am more interested in the PvP side of things.
But hey you gotta do PvE to BiS out in PvP and I enjoy both so....
wPvP is the priority.
https://classicdb.ch/?talent#cA0MdggkkAioho
Here is a build for pvp with me playing on the ol calc.
From what i remember you dont raid as bm, you raid as mm
Beast mastery is very good in pvp, if you are relying on your pet to kill go for bestial wrath 31 in bm was a priority, the rest of the talents you can chose between marksman increase dps abilities and aimed shot or survival trap root/improve wing clip properties.
Its about preference in world pvp, you can chose aimed shot to snipe players while hiding behind a hill or eyes of the beast while hiding with aspect of the beast on using your pet to attacking people with a stealth kity or using the trap root effects and wing clip to control your enemies whether they are melee or range.
BM is a solid leveling spec, but because of how much AoE and cleaves in raids, BM is not a great choice. A significant portion of you DPS will come from you pet as BM and your pet is going to be constantly dying unless you have a healer healing it, and healing hunter pets is generally considered a waste of mana in most settings. You’ll either spend most of the raid with your pet dead, or most of the raid rezzing/trying desperately and failing to keep it alive.
Now that said, in level 60 dungeons your pet will make a decent enough OT.
What? Lol.
BM hate didnt start becoming a thing until late Wotlk. Of course BM raided in vanilla. its really sad when people ‘still’ try to enforce a modern mentality.
Who said anything about BM hate? Stating pretty objective facts about BMs usefulness in vanilla raids is not BM hate. And BM hate started in BC, because in BC BMs could macro their DPS rotations and spam 1-2 buttons and do as much dps if not more dps then everyone else.
The only hunter spec that got hate in Vanilla were melee DPS survival hunters.
you just said yourself, that they could ‘macro their dps and spam just as much as everyone else’. obviously, that isnt true. the only thing we really needed to macro was pet attack. because auto assist wasnt a thing.
if you dont call that hate, then i will be more tolerant and call it ‘disdain.’ how is it not? and that STILL did not start effecting their inclusion into raiding, until late Wotlk.
melee dps survival hunter…??? wtf are you talking about? who does that? you scream on retail for years, because your ranged/bows were removed and now, in the classic forum- you go on about survival (aka ranged class), going melee?
no, seriously…who legit rolled a ranged class, just to go melee and lose 60% of their dps? and you are ‘educating’ ME, on what is acceptable due to dps?
how is that any different than a mage saying they are going full melee and never once using their ranged abilities? where the vast majority of their dps is!
gtfo.
Going to advise against your build. Thick Hide is far superior than Endurance training. Armor means so much more than stamina for your pet. I would drop the 5 in ET and put 3 into Thick Hide and 2 more into Frenzy.
good build.
that is almost exactly what i go with. for pretty much everything. raiding, pvp etc.
however, i do agree with one other poster. put less in endurance training. let me give you an example;
here is my guild.
classicdb.ch/?talent#cT0rdGgkufE0bh
endurance and health, is good but the main focus should be damage, crit and regen.
As odd as it sounds, I distinctly remember some Hunters in Vanilla trying to be melee lol. It was even brought up on the forums a lot. Possibly why Survival is the way it is now, but dont quote me on that.
You know, I admit straight-up, I did not play in vanilla. But, my husband did. And he tells me that yes, there were plenty of survival melee huntards running around, especially in pvp. So maybe the answer here is that no one ‘legit’ rolled a ranged class just to go melee and lose 60% of their dps-- for PvE? My trust level isn’t high enough to embed this, but here’s a link to a YouTube video of melee hunters in action: