Why doesn’t cleaves crit? I’m looking at my logs, and none of the cleaves crit… With crit buffs, I should be critting 50%+ percent of the time. I look at other people’s charts, and it shows their cleaves critting.
Blizzard (Microsoft), what is going on with my character? It feels like I’m being punished for some odd reason. Can you look into my account and see what’s going on?
I found the answer
Beast Cleave in World of Warcraft, specifically with the Beastmastery Hunter, does not crit independently. The damage dealt by Beast Cleave is based on the pet’s melee attacks. If a pet attack crits, the damage of Beast Cleave will be increased proportionally, but Beast Cleave itself doesn’t have a separate chance to crit.
Here’s a more detailed explanation:
When a pet attacks, if the pet’s attack hits, it cleaves, causing the target to take damage.
If the pet’s attack crits, the damage dealt by Beast Cleave will be increased proportionally to the pet’s crit.
Beast Cleave itself doesn’t have a separate chance to crit. It’s damage is solely determined by the pet’s attacks.
One user on the Blizzard forums believes that Blizzard intentionally changed Beast Cleave so it doesn’t crit, as they felt the increased damage was too strong.
The damage of Beast Cleave is entirely tied to the pet’s basic melee attacks, so increasing your pet’s critical strike chance and overall damage will directly improve the damage dealt by Beast Cleave.
So, literally, crits mean nothing to beast master hunter… yet Method says crit is key…
Exactly what this hunter said. If th epet attack itself crits, the base overall damage of cleave is increased, but without the note of it being a “crit” itself.
That’s exactly the opposite of what you quote.
Not sure how you got that from what you posted. If your pet crits, Beast Cleave does more damage, so more crit is great. If Beast Cleave crit independently, you would effectively do more than triple damage if Beast Cleave crit off a crit.
Just to make it clearer, here is the crayon example:
In other words, Beast Cleave does benefit from Crit, because it does more damage if the attack it procs from crits. There are also other talents that increase the benefit of Crit, like Go For the Throat.
Is the “i found an answer” thing just a chat gpt response ?
Some of you fail to understand that crits aren’t properly registered for a reason, and even Blizzard stated that they’ve reduced crits on pets because it makes hunters too powerful. So you’re only getting a fraction of the pet’s crit, but you can’t determine the number of times they happen.
The only reason why Method and some other Beast Master guide individuals are going crit is because of the proc rate to refresh some abilities. Besides that, hunters have been given the shaft. Within the past two updates, hunters have been left out in the cold without any love of any kind. If anything, they’re now at the lower side of the DPS charts.
You can try to use the very small minority, which are extremely talented with the hunter’s rotation, but the vast majority only touch half or below on the DPS charts, and it’s about to get worse for them because classes, besides hunters, are becoming more powerful. You can try to talk about DK’s reduction on AoE, but they’ll still easily hit 14 to 15k with 8 group mobs.
If you keep track record of these competitions, they revolved around DH, Druid, Rogue, and Shaman. Sometimes the Priest does well, at other times it’s Death Knights, and at other times Paladins. This game revolves around the people who are running in these competitions, such as PVP and PVE. The vast majority of the competition players aren’t playing Hunters.
One staff member, which is known, plays a Rogue and has been catered to since the game has been alive. I know this through inside information.
Note: Mages are always at the top 3, but shatter like glass. They don’t have many mitigation tools like hunters. That’s why a lot of people look past them when it comes to these competitions.
I mean, that’s just blatantly wrong, but go off.
Oh, so you use chatgpt and method guides, that explains a lot.
Oh, sush! lol So what if I take Method’s build? It’s better than Icyveins and Wowhead. I’ve changed some of the talent tree to work for the build I like, so it’s not 100% precisely the same build. 
I didn’t get it from chatGPT. I didn’t know it made builds. ChatGPT giving out builds is kind of… odd.
The critical pet thing? Blizzard really did speak about it. I’m unsure if it was due to PVP, PVE, or both. 
This is from Gemini, which found the records of Blizzard reducing the pet’s damage: Blizzard has addressed concerns about hunter pets being too strong by reducing the damage they deal. Specifically, they have lowered the damage dealt by Beast Mastery hunters’ pets, aiming to bring them more into balance with other damage-dealing classes and specialists. This change has also been accompanied by adjustments to the way certain abilities like Beast Cleave function, ensuring that the pet’s damage, including critical strikes, is more in line with intended gameplay.
Note: While typing this message, I’ve been playing with the mucus from my nose called snot.
Me when I go on the internet and lie
In what way ?
So you take an optimize build and do what to it exactly ?
So another AI which can absolutely make up things on the spot.
Again, explain how this means that
Even if I do the research and come back with solid evidence, I can tell you’re going to keep breaking down my messages into specific bits, focusing on the parts you want to attack, questioning the majority of my information, and then coming up with a conclusion that fits your wants. Your type of method, by breaking down specific parts while leaving the majority, is called what? Manipulation.
The information I’ve provided was literally spoken about before the last two updates. Blizzard said BM hunters were too strong because of their pets. Instead of being lazy, find the information yourself. It’s out there. The only thing you’ll keep doing is trying to take what I provide while being a troll.
Beast Cleave, Barbed, Call of the Wild, nerf.
Beast Mastery
Marksmanship
All damage dealt increased by 6%.
Precise Shots Focus cost reduction increased to 40% (was 30%)
There is a YouTube video named More Hunter Changes In 11.1! BM Dumped While MM/Survival BUFFED | The War Within that breaks down the changes.
Blizzard
Updated the Hunter section with the following:
Hunter
Beast Mastery
The Liberation of Undermine 2-piece set bonus has been adjusted – Barbed Shot now fires at 100% (was 200%). ← (Nerf)
The Liberation of Undermine 4-piece set bonus has been adjusted - Potent Mutagen damage reduced by 50% and reduces the cooldown of Bestial Wrath by 0.25 seconds (was 0.5 seconds). ← (This is very little DPS increase.)
All ability and pet damage increased by 5%. ← (Additional Class Tuning Updates for Patch 11.1, Blizzard reduced all damage dealt by 8% (includes pets). With the March 3rd update, pets were given a +5% but are still -3% overall. It did not adjust all damage.)
All ability and pet damage increased by 10%.
Liberation of Undermine 2-piece set bonus has been adjusted – The chance of a Jackpot! occurring has been reduced by 70%.
All damage increased by 10%.
none of this has to do with critical strike though lmao which was the original argument. You have just gone full cooker which I guess is probably to be expected from someone who names their character fartalot
I remember a discussion about it. Many players were displeased that their pets weren’t doing as much critical damage as they used to. Perhaps the nerfs might be the reason why they noticed an overall crit damage reduction? I remember a discussion about crits being reduced because they were taking down players too fast. So even that came into play. PVP players, specifically, were calling out how BM hunter’s pets were too strong and needed nerfs.
Note: I don’t PVP anymore. I found out it’s a waste of my time. It’s too agitating and people tend to become very toxic, so I don’t know what goes on on the other side of the fence. This whole game revolves around competitions for both PVP and PVE, and the top players who want certain changes are given priority.
You’re an MM in a tight-knit mythic+ group of people, except for a few that are picked up here and there. I’m looking at your Raider IO. Don’t use the “I’m a hunter” statement to try to make a power move or prove a point about BMs. I’m not trying to be mean. Some hunters in the past do stuff like that. That couldn’t have been a possible tactic you would use.
lmao its an alt cuz mm is fun in keys this season if you went to all that effort on my rio you should be able to see I’ve played hunter in previous seasons of all 3 specs. Unsure what playing mm with my mates has to do with you spewing nonsense about bm and crit though.
I remember when John Blizzard told me that he will personally make me the next CEO of activision…
There might be some shenanigans with crit in pvp (i believe in pvp it might do 1.5 instead of 2x damage) but those would be universal across all classes and specs.
None of the changes that you linked so far address your key idea :
Crit functions exactly 1-1 as expected for BM.
Your basic inability to understand text while spending time asking some AI which can hallucinate things (albeit even it explained to you why crit works) and linking unrelated forum posts about changes that don’t do anything with crit, does not change that in any way.
As an example :
Cobra shot : 37.1% crit
Auto attacks : 36.7% crit
Kill Command : 38.1% crit
Oh wow, it’s almost like crit works just fine.
fart, your talking maaaaad S*** for someone who can barely play bm
I knew there was going to be a newb statement or some crap like that. I out DPS players with mythic gear, and they run mythic raids. I don’t have the Mythic gear they do. Don’t make assumptions because players, especially at higher levels, love making assumptions.
If you’re going to look at my warcraft logs, my guild cannot heal worth a crap. I’m having to use defensives I shouldn’t have to use. That cuts into DPS. You can look at my guild. They’re not very good. I play with them because I have some friends inside the guild. I would choose a better guild on another server if not for that.
Overall, don’t assume anything. It just makes you look like what? You should know the old saying.
logs are a free and public resource