Until the end of wotlk, raids could form and walk into battlegrounds fully formed. This allowed guilds and friends to play together … sometimes lasting days.
This was removed around the end of lich-king, forcing us to the 5-man limit. This forced people to group with players that were… less then desirable (ie: bots, fisherman, afk’rs, etc). This quickly led to fewer people queuing for bgs (where’s the fun carrying bots and afk’rs?)
will we FINALLY be able to go back to the way it was?
if you had 40 ppl you could do AV with 1 group.
They were called premades and they were scary to go up against.
If blizzard allows for a GroupFinder capability, then people could easily form larger groups for the various bgs
i believe they should remove solo queuing in current retail now. This would require people to find groups for the bgs they want to do. 10man, 15man, and epic 40mans … similar to how raids are done via the GroupFinder today. Done this way, every game would be premade v premade allowing people the CHOICE whether or not to carry the dead weight. It would also allow guilds and friends to play together again
I am fairly certain you could not do this in vanilla. I am pretty sure you all had to que for the same AV version and hope you got in…
you most certainly could walk into bgs with full 40 man raids if you wanted (and many guilds did)
No, no and no to any group finder built in or available through addons. That’s what chat channel are used for. That’s how it was and how it should be.
If you can’t beat a premade via a solo que… then find some friends and group up and make your own premade.
I am saying you didn’t all que up though in one que. You had to join a raid, have everyone que up at the same time, and then hope you got in. There wasn’t the “Que as group” for a raid in vanilla.
I thought for sure there was a que as group function built in if you were the group/raid leader, but I could be remembering it wrong.
Que as group, u could do 5 man tops, so u would all que in groups of 5 at the same time.
I’m not sure about the queuing for AV but there was a dedicated horde PVP guild on Steamwheedle that would run full guild premades for AB and WSG.
You could que aB and Wsg as groups, Av if you time it properly you can get a que to pop with 40 folks, though it was quite rare.
Were you able to group que for AV? I honestly cant remember. I thought it was just AB and WSG
When BGs were realm specific it was fun to play against premades in WSG and AB because you got to know all the regular players who did BGs and could sort of coordinate well enough to have a good chance of winning. After cross realm BGs started it became more rare for a pug to beat a premade and wasn’t as much fun anymore.
(And no to GroupFinder or anything like it in Classic)
Not to be a stickler, ok yeah I am: queing for a BG IS a group finder.
queuing is LFG … GroupFinder is LFM (which you then walk into the instance with)
there is a HUGE difference
My memory is getting bad, will we be going to the BG entrances like early BGs, or going to the BG recruiters in the city like it was later? (I don’t remember what patch changed that)
I thought you could but I’m in the same boat, not really sure as I can’t remember.
Pretty sure you couldn’t back then.
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRnnodvQgpI
This was a premade of about 35 horde on the Kel’thuzad server. We comprised a number of different guilds and were among the better pvpers on the server.
We used no add-on or other tricks to queue together. At the time you queued at the battlemasters and were able to monitor how many instances of AV were being played. We would then queue in mass, force a new AV to start and join together - usually getting at least 30 of our 35 players into the same AV.
The speed run was done mostly for s**** and giggles, and to see how quickly we could finish AV. More regularly we ran full honor AV battlegrounds. There we would get full honor and three tokens in between 10 and 13 minutes - usually in the 11 and change ballpark.
The methods used here should still work today (the toughest part is always getting 35 people who can work together).
That’s really cool, thanks for linking that.
Either way, do you choose your group? Whay if you go in solo? Do you choose the enemy? Groups are being found.
That would be an unanswered question. One of the many that the devs have been sitting on.