Yes, and you got that gold because people buy gold from gold sellers. The number of people casually having gold caps across several toons is a symptom of the problem which feeds bots that print gold. The gold supply is massively inflated compared to wotlk retail. That’s also why you only see bots out farming, because it is not worth the time to compete against them for mere fractions of gold you can earn in a GDKP. It kills the world and defeats the purpose of MMO.
It makes sense to make specific servers for that type of gameplay, since having it allowed on a server changes the landscape and economy of the entire server.
You… do realize… that same thing applies to everything in the game. Including using the Auction House. The only thing this doesn’t apply to is if you are playing SSF in Hardcore.
Sure, make fresh realms that are locked. No GDKPs allowed.
Watch it boom and then die in 3-months. Then watch those same players blame it on the anti-gdkpers and the anti-gdkpers blame it on the fresh guys that only want to experience everyone rush leveling together.
Lol? You serious? All of them are still there and they make even more money now, because players don’t have a choice, but to go to them since they want to raid log and Vanilla is the most consume heavy version of WoW. More so in SoD.
Eh, I said it as detrimental to the game as the organizer of a GDKP taking a host cut. It is more or less the same aspect. The organizer getting a benefit the raider does not.
I mean, it does work in retail just not in the same way. The buyer just buys the entire run, and the carries carry. The buyers get all the loot that drops, and the carriers get their gold. There really isn’t the standard hybrid option most GDKP Raiders are in WotLK.
So you ultimately end up with organizations’ advertising runs. So much so that Blizzard had to ban advertising in the LFG Tool and Chat and created a specific Advertisement chat for it.
Some organizations’ even attempt to cheat the buyer by not having everyone loot a thing so the item gets sent to their mailbox. So potentially a ton more toxic then any system in WotLK.
Sigh… no. Everything… ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING promotes RMT. What would actually occur is that nothing would change. The bots will still bot and the RMTers would still RMT. Why? because they are also Raid Loggers. They wouldn’t be suddenly out farming mats. No they will buy gold then either buy mats off the AH from the bots that sold them that gold or just buy consumes… from someone who bought the mats off the AH from the bots that sell the gold. This is a cycle that has existed since OG Vanilla… and songs were even made about it OG TBC. Nyhm’s “Ni Hao” comes to mind.
Nothing anyone does sort of removing both trading and the auction house from the game will break the RMT cycle, and all that making gold harder from players to get does it make it all more profitable for the bots as each gold then has more value when compared to real world currency. For example at one point in Vanilla Classic Gold was worth four times as much as US Dollar.
Honestly, if people want to talk about this they really need to look at more then the strawman they put in front of their own face. It is honestly ridiculous.
The easier it is the PuG the more guilds get eroded. Look at retail. LFR and the two easier difficulties to raids hit hard.
Better not sell any boe epics because it could be bought gold. :GASP: Also you can’t use the AH because I know plenty of people that also buy gold to afford raid consumes or they did atleast in classic/tbc. If someone wants to buy gold they are going to do it and theres nothing you can do about it whether its banned or not. Blizzard sells gold themselves via the token rofl.
Do I hate losing items to gold buyers in raid? Yeah but i’ll get the item eventually and its a guarantee I will because gdkps reward your effort.
See now you are being purposely obtuse. Yes the the AH is creating a huge demand for gold to be bought. It is the primary reason gold is bought. Name people wanting to buy BoE epics (Some of which still sell for higher then most things sell in GDKPs) and Consumes which they need to raid or PvP. This is in addition to gemming and enchanting their gear. Where do you think the people who both don’t GDKP and Raid Log get their gold? They buy it.
Furthermore, bots are the ones selling the base material for all of those consumes. This is one of the primary ways bots get the gold to sell in the first place. You know that gold you are claiming is actually spent in GDKPs.
Because obviously they are the ones buying gold. You know the ones getting tons of gold from GDKPs… they are clearly also buying more gold on top of the hundreds of thousands that they have gotten from it… because that makes sense.
Newsflash. The majority of GDKP players who normally do GDKPs don’t buy gold because they get their gold from GDKPs. The people who do buy gold are the one-off players who really do not regularly do GDKPs… because they have to make up the gold for not regularly doing them. The other party that RMTs are the people who Raid or Arena Log because they have to buy consumes. The final party that RMTs are the 1 in a million players who attends a GDKP and then spend 1 million gold on a single item and does not happen to be one of the organizes of said GDKP run. Which is a percentage so small that it would be written off as a statistical error.
It’s cool that you don’t like GDKPs, it’s cool you don’t even understand what is going on. The nuances just go over your head I’m sure, but if you are going to make these arguments on blind hatred. Don’t attempt to downplay the primary reason gold is bought and one of the primary ways the bots earn gold just because it doesn’t align with your argument. People aren’t as dumb and shortsighted as you think they are.
That’s not a GDKP if it works like that, GDKP is an auction based loot system where everyone can bid on the items that drop, what you described is essentially a carry run.
So what you’re basically saying is that the only gold that’s fine is the gold you get from mobs and quests? What percentage of my 280k is RMT bought if I made it off of the AH?
Where does the BiS gear come from? The AH or Raids? Where do the highest sums of gold get spent on single items? What do people primarily do in-game? Raid log?
Consumes are not selling for 200k+ gold per item…just stop. No one is trading gold caps to other players for consumes.
You are either intentionally being misleading or extremely misguided. My guess is the former.
That is more or less what a GDKP is for a buyer. A carry run. The issue is because of the restrictions that exist in retail they can’t have hybrid players. A Carry doesn’t bid and the buyers do. We can get pedantic and be like “but there is no auction happening!”, but it is what would occur in a GDKP (at least preptach forward) if you had 1 buyer of each armor type and 21 carries. Each buyer would bid the minimum and get the item.
Hybrid players are what causes the bidding to occur because generally speaking you don’t want to many buyers in a run.
I know I’m being stubborn but I just can’t call that a GDKP, I guess that you could look at it as there being multiple floors (if you don’t GDKP that’s the stuff that doesn’t get bidded on as well as BoE’s) one for each armour type but even then I don’t consider that to be a GDKP because there’s meant to be bidding of gear between the people within the raid.
Now this is me personally, it just doesn’t fit into what a GDKP is to me, I can see it being one as a technicality though, like a GDKP lite.
Well, anyone with two eyes who is being honest can put 2 and 2 together in Classic and see GDKPs are the root cause of how bad RMT has become in Classic.
The people trying to derail conversations, ignore talking points, or purposely misrepresent the situation “but RMT has always existed” are putting a lot of effort into keeping GDKPs around. Look at how much some of them type…it makes you wonder what their stakes are in RMT or if they’re just the chronically online types who think they are somehow “trolling”.
Literally no one defending gdkps is ignorant that RMT exists and has an influence in it.
We just aren’t so brain damaged to believe it to be the only and sole source of reasoning for RMT to exist.
I’ve already brought many points up to you, to the point where you ignore them because you lack any means to address them, instead choosing to regurgitate your same stance like a child demanding candy.
We get it, your guild fell apart because the good raiders left to go play with other good raiders and with no weekly obligation to show up as well as being compensated for the lack of loot obtained, versus your struggling mess of a raid. You don’t like gdkps because of that.
Pretending to hide behind the RMT shield while adamantly ignoring that RMT is an issue that expands far wider than just gdkps really doesn’t scream “I hate RMT” and really just screams that you’re mad at gdkps for taking your raiders.
If RMT is so integral to gdkps, and Blizzard believes this to be fact, then why is sod the only game where it is banned? RMT is against TOS, right? If it was so intertwined then there really would be no issue just blanket banning gdkps across the board, but that isn’t reality now is it? Ignore this question for the 4th time please, it’s amusing watching you cherry pick your fights.