I think the system is fine the way it is. I would have preferred the system - no penalty if you leave after first boss kill though. That was a mistake to make changes for a temporary problem but blizzard has gone to the extreme of listening too much to complaints.
Oh no. AnywaysâŚ
Please continue to disregard how the four can be the trolls instead of the one.
I mean, it worked on you didnât it? Anyone with eyes can see you continuously calling me a troll to try and contradict, when Iâve only pointed what you have said (without calling you any names, fyi) and see what youâre attempting. I appreciate your support though! <3
edit: my bad, misread the post and explained how it used to be when you already know that haha. Iâm still certain people would largely be in favor of that returning.
Itâs a winning scenario right now. Thereâs 0 reason to change things because neither problem situation you described exists.
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Please continue to tell us that weâre all trolls here in bad faith.
They can be, and itâs far, far less common
In the case of 4 trolls, they still ruin the other personâs run. It just makes that the case for 1, 2, or 3 trolls as well. Itâs a terrible idea.
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If the majority want to kick you for any reason or no reason, you should be gone. The alternative is a tyranny of the minority, which is far worse. 2 people being able to hold 3 others hostage will be far more abused.
As long as we can agree that if 3 out of 5 people want you gone, youâre gone⌠I can accept penalty reductions or whatnot as a compromise. Maybe if 4 people vote for you to go (literally everyone else), you get the penalty. If someone votes no, and 3 vote yes, thereâs enough ambiguity there that while youâre still gone, you donât get the penalty.
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You took the first 4 words of a sentence and tried to use it in a fruitless attempt at trying to make a point.
You have made several implications of it, anyone with eyes can see it and infer the meaning behind your words.
I too appreciate you outing yourself as a troll for all to see. You have only helped me out.
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Thatâs the best part! I donât have to say anything. Your responses are doing their part for me.
From your perspective, I bet 
Your response to my âEveryone can just vote abandon the dungeon with no penalty.â
LOL, if you take evidence of your own words things that indicate you, then⌠glass slipper?
Youâre welcome.
It doesnât have to be though.
Very few people do anything that warrants a kick, itâs probably single digit percentages of kicks are what I would call legitimate.
Keep the vote kick, but add some skin in the game, make people vote kicking have to pay something(time), and you suddenly have very high quality indicators to identify problem players.
Only really dedicated trolls will kick someone if it means a 15 minute wait for a replacement for the run. And very few people would do the things that might get people to eat a 15 minute lockout of their own, if blizzard implemented aggressive scaling lockouts for being kicked.
Incentives determine player behavior, and incentives are not that hard to craft to get the desired behavior.
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If you take evidence of my own words in their full context then you will find that I am on the side of punishing less people rather than punishing more.
So youâre the divine arbiter of truth then?
These ideas keep getting worse
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My response to your idea that a troll should be able to force all 4 players to drop group instead of being able to be removed because wonât someone think of the trollâs feelings in all of this?
All these quarter-baked solutions because people assume that when they get kicked it couldnât possibly be anything they did wrong or poorly, it has to be trolls that convinced 3 other people to kick them for no reason too.
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Not even a GM could prove beyond arguement that a kick is bogus or legit without an ADMISSION by the kickers 
the kicked person knows if they DID something that warranted a kick or notâŚor if some jerks who ARENT MMO players tossed him out over his mog choices, lmao
I would like you to quote a single statement I have made that said I was in favor of punishing people more.
Iâll even give you a hint, itâs the opposite of:
âvote abandonâ âno penaltyâ âno penalty after first bossâ
Iâll be waiting. 
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Youâre not very good at reading comprehension are you
In this same thread Lio also said that players should never have control over having people banned from the game.
Lio also seems to think they are not part of that 5% he says is ruining the game.
Query whether Lio logs in and actually plays versus just trolling forums.
Will do.
That was easy! Heres a quote where you suggest punishing a group of 4 by having them abandon a dungeon, queue up again and restart their run instead of simply removing the one troll and continuing on with their run. Again, why are we trying to protect trolls and foster their growth in the community?
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At this point Lioâs only purpose is comedic relief and thatâs all I treat them as
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