How is magic not a second weapon but fists are? What kind of logic is that?
you say that like lorthamar wouldn’t run her through with his warblade if it looked like she was losing. look real close at what he says after baine is taken away
"I cannot fault Baine’s heart, even if his actions were drastic. Through this act of defiance, he exposed a schism in the Horde that has been growing since the attack on Teldrassil.
I fear that by openly opposing Sylvanas, he may have put his own people at risk. As mine would be, were I to side with him.
These are perilous times. We must be cautious… and deliberate."
that doesnt sound like someone who is 100% team banshee
Maybe you need to brush up on the whole Garrosh thing. Though I did support his death to most of the living policy.
She’s the only faction leader that has denied enemy territory this entire expansion…
No. He was challenged knowing that he used magic. It was his use of magic for an unfair advantage, where he was a cheater. He was sneaking in magical attacks and draining Durotan. Until the end where he didn’t even care anymore.
She’s the only faction leader that has denied enemy territory this entire expansion…
This entire war started theoretically to take Darkshore and she hasnt even held that.
Greymane started this war. Darkshore was retaliation for the attack in Stormheim.
If we’re just going to claim past events are why Sylvanas started this war then the war actually started when Sylvanas invaded Gilneas.
That was under orders from Garrosh, who was removed from power by both factions. Greymane took it personally and attacked Sylvanas personally when the two factions were fighting Legion together.
That was under orders from Garrosh, who was removed from power by both factions. Greymane took it personally and attacked Sylvanas personally when the two factions were fighting Legion together.
And he was acting alone and not under the orders of Anduin.
Sylvanas could’ve rebelled right there. But she didn’t.
Not to mention she also ordered the wrath gate.
You’re not getting it. Baine allowed those to surrender to continue on. They were spared. Those who wouldn’t kneel were killed because they chose to keep fighting.
Again you are some how using that as justification for him attacking and killing others. You are saying attacking your own troops is OK as long as you let those who surrender live and those who don’t got what they deserved. How do you think that would fly in any court? How is that even slightly a logical argument when he is the aggressor?
Then what was “I surrender! No more” and then letting them run away?
That was them pleading for their life.
It means you’re assuming things based off of little evidence.
So how can “nobody know you were here” if he let people go?
Exactly… Sylvanas was under order, Greymane was not. He reignited conflict out of a personal vendetta.
Not everyone believes in betraying their faction because they disagree with the Warchief…
Sylvanas could’ve rebelled right there. But she didn’t.
Not to mention she also ordered the wrath gate.
Not to mention she also ordered the wrath gate.
I don’t take retcon’s seriously. Most of all when they happen 5+ years after the fact.
Sylvannas will be the only one being executed 
Not to mention she also ordered the wrath gate.
No she didn’t. Chronicles is the canon source and it says
“Like most good lies Sylvanas Windrunner’s account of the rebellion in the undercity contained some truth, Grand apothecary Putress truly had attempted to overthrow her, and Varimathras truly was trying to claim the Forsaken in the name of the burning legion. But the plague had been created at her direction, Sylvanas was willing to take vengeance against the Lich king at almost any cost, even by making a weapon as deadly as the plague, weather she was aware that putress and Varimathras were planning to use the concoction remained a misery, rumors persisted that she knew about the attack at the Wrath gate beforehand , and her denials did not assuage the doubts of her detractors.”
At a significant cost while also losing the war. I mean burning down the tree only to lose your city isn’t exactly a win worth bragging about. I’m not seeing an upside here.
Greymane started this war. Darkshore was retaliation for the attack in Stormheim.
You mean him breaking her lamp? I would agree him attacking her there would be justification for most normal people, but everything I read in BtS seems to suggest her motivations have little to due with his issues with her. She clearly isnt playing the same game everyone else is. She is playing a very dangerous game in terms of getting into the Lich Kings territory and it’s clear Bwonsamdi isnt exactly thrilled with her either.
I think the writers are very clearly aiming to turn Sylvanas into something quite different then a typically villain, but clearly they are putting her on a trajectory that isnt a “For the horde” type of path. I think anyone who thinks she is in this for the horde isnt paying attention to the story as its being written, imo.
How do you think that would fly in any court? How is that even slightly a logical argument when he is the aggressor?
I hope you understand that real-life court systems exist on Earth and not in Azeroth. Again, what do you think about rebel groups who oppose corrupt leaders?
That was them pleading for their life.
And that was Baine sparing them in response to their surrender.
So how can “nobody know you were here” if he let people go?
It means that the ship won’t be found with any evidence on it.