Baine cutscene (spoilers)

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Ignoring the fact that Derek should be ashes, he looks drowned. I guess his appearance has something to do with tide magic?

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I wasn’t sure whether or not Sylvanas was the bad guy before this but the sinister theme playing really sold me on it. I do feel that one way for the writers to cement this would have been for Sylvanas to have one of the guards club Baine over the head, or kick him, or stab him, or drown him in a blighted moonwell or something. Missed opportunity.

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Hopefully Zelling’s corpse is something we can target so I can /dance on it

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Nice they remember Ji exists, kind of sad though they stole Zelling’s moment to die with some conviction to give Baine more of talking moment.

Also maybe could have used a moment with Voss attempting to convince Slyvanas to spare Zelling.

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zelling was instantly executed but baine gets arrested?

also rip zelling boi.

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Really? I mean really? You want to take this thread there? I’ve as a joke that is lame.

Zelling died so we would feel that Sylvanas was the bad guy and think that the guy who actually acted against the laws of the Horde and was involved in the deaths of several Horde members was the good guy and in the right. I still find the whole thing hilarious because if that is true it just goes to show how useless the Horde is as a political institution and how incompetent the leadership is that such actions are necessary.

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What’s Sylvanas doing fiddling around with Val’kyr? Evidently this is the way to go!

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Summary executing a racial leader would be a way bigger thing than executing a new Forsaken who even his sponsor Forsaken Voss isn’t speaking up for.

Besides imprisoned Baine makes for good bait for fishing for Anduins and Surfangs.

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I was thinking of the last rites the Kul tiran give the dead.

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this little stunt has already gotten the other members pretty antsy, rexxar, lor’themar, garona and voss all seem to be coming up with a plan that implies treachery to sylvanas, killing baine would thrust the horde into full on civil war worst then with saurfang

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I was just joking- geez.

Also,

Im pretty sure Sylvanas killed her own forsaken during BtS, were they not horde members, too? (specially the ones that weren’t actually defecting)

pretty sure she killed more horde members that day than baine and zelling, since they actually spared a few :thinking:

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It’s fine, they’ve all turned warmode off in an attempt to take away the Alliance’s 30% buff.

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Slyvanas’ action at the end of BtS were tyrannical but not betraying the Forsaken or the Horde. Summary executing everybody on the field to ensure the traitors that were trying to defect and side with Calia die is harsh, but not unwarranted.

Mind you I would have preferred the Dark Rangers showed off their skills and merely disabled everybody to haul back for interrogation, but were beyond too late there.

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And this is why we have a bad rap for forsaken fans.

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I know but we all know you can do so much better. We believe in you.

Probably but no one is disputing Sylvanas is a bad guy (well most people aren’t anymore) and in most cases Sylvanas did what she did from a position of authority where she could justify her choices as part of fore filling her role as Warchief.

Hell, even with BtS, she had a group of forsaken leaders interacting in a event they pushed for with a individual who openly challenges Sylvanas’s position as ruler of the Forsaken at said event. She can very easily justify it as executing conspirators involved in an Alliance plot to overthrow her.

There is a difference between lawful and just. The issue here isn’t if Baine’s actions were just but if they were lawful. In any organisation the rules and laws a vital to the integrity and function of the organisation. If those rules are treated as optional, no matter how just the rule breaking is, then the very functionality of the organisation breaks down and it fails as an institution. In that case the institution itself is flawed and a major part of the problem. That is a major problem with how the Horde is written.

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The fridged Zelling for Baine.

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That’s what IVE said, but it’s apparently ok with them because…reasons

God forbid Baine kills a couple Forsaken soldiers who are armed and can defend themselves, he’s a dirty traitor who should be hanged, but slaughtering a field full of unarmed civilians with no way to defend themselves, that’s TOTALLY ok and is in no way, shape, or form considered a betrayal of the Horde because Sylvanas THOUGHT they were going to betray her.

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Are the Laws of the Horde so worthless that they can be ignored when it is convenient to do so? Is the Horde just a dysfunctional system that you can only resolve problems by resorting to breaking those laws?

If that is the case the Alliance should disband the Horde because it isn’t capable of effective self governance.

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I remind you of the conversation we were having about how Sylvanas flagrantly broke Horde laws under both Thrall and Garrosh’s reigns, and now she’s Warchief.

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That probably has more to do with this forum being an alliance echo chamber with a handful of savage horde toadies

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