Will the Horde and Alliance settle their difference…again to stop Sylvanas Windrunner from her war on against the living or will Thunder bluff turn into all you can eat burger joint?
This really needs to stop. Ugh.
Ugh.
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Gee, we save Baine and the Horde and Alliance work together to stop the big bad warchief… whoopie…
Still don’t know why the hell the Alliance would want to work with the Horde after everything. Tyrande better do something before we repeat this darn theme for too long.
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Don’t know why the Horde would work with the Alliance after what they pulled, but Tyrande, as per blizzard got her revenge at Dark shore… Somehow… By being angry.
Welp, everyone ready for Siege of Orgrimmar 2: Electric Boogaloo, Kerr- Sylvanas was right all along,
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I seem to remember a certain king promising to “end” the Horde if they proved treacherous again.
We’ll see how this unfolds. I’d be disappointed to see Sylvanas as just another raid boss gone mad with ambition. They’ve done a great job of showing Saurfang/Thrall/Jaina/Anduin’s perspective. I mean, we get it, they’re the characters who believe in a hopeful, cooperative future. However, I am curious to see what characters like Greymane or Sky Admiral Rogers would have to say about a genuine peace. What of Lor’themar and the Void “traitors”? What of Sylvanas? Both Baine and Saurfang all but abandoned their posts at Lordaeron, the latter of which is actively leading an insurrection during wartime. Baine has been secretly leaking information to the Alliance via Anduin for quite some time, so honestly, I can see the Tauren leader’s execution as justified. Just because Baine is an optimistic, charismatic leader doesn’t change the fact that he has repeatedly endangered the Horde’s integrity and actively challenged the authority of its Warchief.
Whether Blizzard decides to highlight that for players remains to be seen though.
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Ohohoh… I remember that certain king dying.
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Hurray more Horde and Alliance hand holding nonsense I didn’t sign up for. ![:rage:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/rage.png?v=6" ":rage:")
The Horde burned a city full of elves to the ground. Does that not mean anything to anyone!? I was overjoyed about the destruction of Teldrassil, because it felt the Horde was finally at a point of no return and the war would be a fight to the finish. But nope the Alliance seem to treat the burning of Teldrassil as if the Horde ran over the family dog.
It will be a miracle if I’m still playing this by 2020.
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Also:
LOOKS LIKE MEAT’S BACK ON THE MENU, BOYS!
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Ooh. Buckle up 'cause I got some opinions on this one, boys. I’m an avid player of both Horde and Alliance and I have parts I love and dislike about both factions.
If there was anyone I would trust to get the Horde back under control, it would be Thrall. I hate how quickly the Orcs have forgotten everything Thrall has done for them. The Liberator of the Orcs, redeemer of the Orcish people, reintroduced Shamanism, reconnected them with their people in Outland, saved Azeroth. His list of accomplishments is long. I was glad to see him finally admit to his mistakes. Like leaving Garrosh in charge.
I have never understood why people call Saurfang a traitor. He led the charge at the battle for Lordaeron. He was the final line of defense between the Alliance and the Warchief. And then as soon as Sylvanas hears he escaped, she sends assassins to murder him? Saurfang is not wrong to want the honor of the Horde back. Beneath Sylvanas the Horde has become nothing more than an excuse to commit barbarism and atrocities all beneath a thin veneer and justification of ‘honor.’ It makes me sick to see what the Horde has done. It can be more than that though. It needs a Leader that people aren’t afraid to badmouth for fear of their lives.
As for the Alliance side of things, I’m satisfied enough with Jaina’s character development thus far. I’m glad she’s not the killfrenzy she was in Mists of Pandaria, but I’m also glad she’s a bit less blissfully optimistic right now as well. I think a great moment was when she and Anduin spoke after Dazar’alor. She wants peace, but peace on the Alliance’s terms.
That’s one more thing that vexes me about the Horde right now. When doing the Baine Scenario, I remembered the Orcs saying they believed the ‘Alliance will destroy them.’ But the Alliance has a track record of sparing the Horde. They let the Horde live after the second war. They let the Horde still exist after the Siege of Orgrimmar short years ago. So why do they act this way? Do they know that the Horde has come to a place without honor, an are afraid of being ‘ended’ like Varian said? Either way, the Horde is morally in the wrong here.
Which brings me back to the Magnificent three of Thrall, Saurfang, and Baine. I think the Horde has always been done best when portrayed as the ‘Proud warrior race’ archetype. Using their brawn and brains to save everyone else from giant monsters. It would be nice if they made some kind of formal apology about Teldrassil though.
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I’m completely with you, Ladekahn.
Players like to complain that there has to be a faction war cause its world of WARcraft! As if the other faction as been the only true enemy this whole time and must stay that way for the game to exist.
Every previous expansion has rightfully been about some larger enemy that the factions either must work together to rout out, or at least not fight each other as much as fighting the bigger bad. I think there will always be skirmishes and squabbles and arguments that lead to fights (if nothing else to make excuse for PvP content), but we do not need a full out war and constant hostility towards each other to keep this game world of war craft.
The Horde is morally abhorrent right now, and frankly I don’t want to be a part of it. I hope this cinematic is a hint to a future where the faction lines are thinner, we can choose our own faction regardless of race, and/or a third faction is added.
The Horde and Alliance dont need to be buddy buddy though. They just need to stop being at each other throats directly and all the time. And the Horde needs new leadership that can bring them back to honorable standing in the world. (Baine for Warcheif 2019!!)
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Knowing Anduin he’d probably say something along the lines of. “My father swore to end the Horde if you failed to keep honor again. You have failed to keep honor. You will dismantle the Horde. But in return, we will dismantle the Alliance, Azeroth needs to come together to defeat N’zoth.”
And then we all sing Kumbaya.
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This right here. Conflict and War aren’t the same thing. Ironically enough, Vanilla-WoTLK there was no Faction War.
A tenuous peace? Yes. Border conflicts? Also yes. Proxy wars where the two primary factions supply two proxy factions and battle it out while technically not engaging the other world power? Very much yes.
You could say that the war between the Alliance and the Horde began in WoTLK, but it was all background. In fact. Most of the expansion was under ceasefire due to the Lich King. It wasn’t until Cataclysm when FAcTiOn WaR became a focus and…it sucked.
We can have Conflict without War, and the game was best off without it.
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Blizzard ran out of ideas long ago and decided to introduce a unification plot that really can’t go nowhere because wow wont be a world of warcraft when the 2 factions are united
But since thats the direction the story’s heading towards, they should just have made this expansion about the 2 putting aside their differences and working on improving their relations. More of a political story about the rise of a unified azeroth with the end being some sort of a trigger for the downfall.
Basically the exact opposite of whats happening now. Instead of having an all our war between the two with some trying to stop it, it should’ve been about peace with some trying to break it. That would’ve made characters like sylvanna a lot more interesting imo
So the end of the expansion would’ve been the beginning of an all out war caused by betrayals and such, game of thrones style
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You think you want it but you don’t.
People complain about the writing now. Nuance in a political narrative might not be a big seller and might not have the interest/audience on a broad scale. Poorly done and it could very well be compared to GoT.
Oh and thanks Ghaghzull for the link. Why does Jaina portal people around like this is Star Trek or something tho?
He let Anduin live in their first encounter in hopes to have a 18 year old kid to do his dirty work for him thus making the war a waste of time. Hes a traitor through and through.
Saurfang for the past 10+ years has been nothing but a meme going on and on about honor and doing nothing substantial up until BfA. He talks about “honor” but does nothing to practice it. The assassins that attacked Astranaar was Saurfang’s doing (A Good War) and Sylvanas had nothing to do with that.
Than when things weren’t going his way he was ready to up a leave the Horde and was more than happy to abandon his people. Where the hell was Saurfang when Garrosh went off the deep end? He did NOTHING. Honor is nothing but a narcissistic fantasy to Saurfang. The Horde has also shown time and time again that their “Honor” is complete BS and it has been this way long before Sylvanas had anything to do with it and it needs to die.
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He was rebelling against Garrosh is where he was.
To be fair, has WoW actually had a proper Faction War?
Because every “Faction War” so far really just turns out to be, “The two factions kinda sorta fight until the Evil Warchief drinks the old god juice a little too hard finally and is taken down by less evil Horde and also the Alliance is there.”
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Saurfang is a traitor because he actively questioned, disobeyed, and abandoned his Warchief at the Battle For Lordaeron. Was Saurfang morally justified for betraying Sylvanas? Yes, according to Blizzard’s writing, but he’s definitely still a traitor.
Just a little weird to me that all of sudden NOW the Horde has reservations about using the Blight after Sylvanas used it before at Southshore… and Gilneas… and well, pretty much anywhere else the Forsaken’s had a major military presence, but yeah!
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News bulletin Orgaz. It’s not against the rules of the Horde to question the Warchief. It’s practically expected. There had almost never been a Warchief before Blackhand because the position is exceptionally hard to hold on to. (Nelgarm was thus far the only known one) Any member of the Horde who thinks they can lead the Horde better has the right to challenge the Warchief to single combat for leadership of the Horde. Blackhand only lasted as long as he did because he had the Shadow Council to murder all of his opponents, and when Gul’dan was gone, Orgrim made his challenge and Blackhand couldn’t refuse. Then he, and Thrall after him, and Vol’jin didn’t have to face that challenge because they had their people’s admiration.
Thrall absolutely had people questioning him though. He knew it and he allowed it. In the comics, it even went on in his Throne room. Because he didn’t want to be a Despot, like Garrosh and his Kor’Kron. Like Sylvanas. What irks me so much about Sylvanas is that she doesn’t treat her position like a Warchief. She acts like a Queen. She acts like her position is hers by right and nothing can take it away from her. The Horde does not have a queen. The Horde has a Warchief. The very notion of the Horde having a Queen disgusts me.
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There’s a difference between questioning the Warchief in Grommash Hold on matters of policy and disobeying direct orders from your Warchief on the battlefield. Imagine if Sylvanas disobeyed Vol’jin during his death throes while fighting on the Broken Shore. The Horde would have been lining up to call her a traitor.
Saurfang abandons his post halfway through the Battle of Lordaeron (a critical battle that could have effectively ended the Horde) to snoop around Lordaeron Keep for Sylvanas’s plague trap and then decides he’s not down with the Horde anymore. Keep in mind this was Sylvanas’s HIGH OVERLORD who just straight up told her to shove it so he could die his warrior’s death.
Saurfang’s a traitor to the Horde. I still like him and everything, but Sylvanas isn’t in the wrong to view him as an enemy.
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