The problem is that neither of those things are actually true.
First, the boogeyman of the m+2 group requiring a 1000 io or something just isn’t the case. And it doesn’t make sense if you think about it. Why would anyone with an io that high be slumming jt in a group that has nothing useful for them?
Instead, what happens is that people apply, get declined and assume raiderio is the culprit. When really it could be one of any number of factors, with the most likely just being too many dps applying.
Second there are plenty of alternatives to getting into groups. You can make your own group. You can make a group from your guild. You can join an M+ community. You can scrounge up a tank or healer buddy to help you build your io.
The fact is you have no io score for completing a regular mythic dungeon. Using Raider io to judge someone to get into a regular mythic is impossible. You can look them up and find no score. The only thing you will have to judge them on to get into a reg mythic is there ilvl.
You ‘gave them the benefit of the doubt’ once in order to prove the reason why the addon is necessary. That’s not being as generous as you think it is.
timers are irrelevant. my free time is limited, and i only want to spend some of that limited free time playing a game. consequently, i want the time i do spend playing a game to be enjoyable. wiping for an hour on trash pulls because nobody can be bothered to learn the mechanics isn’t enjoyable, and taking away the m+ timer isn’t going to make it enjoyable.
Raider IO has its place. The issue I see with it is that it can prevent people who actually need gear from that key, from being invited. This is because for a +5, people seem to only want to invite 200+ IL people…for obvious reasons.
You don’t need high io for a 5. Is it reasonable to expect you’ve done it on a lower key? Yes. Want to run a 5 with less experience? Super easy. Run your own key. Take who you like. And if you are decent, avoid any group that asks for 200 level for a 5. Thank me later.
When 20 dps sign up for a M+, you literally cannot invite them all. Raider io doesn’t cause this.
What causes this is that not enough people are forming their own groups, and separately not enough people are signing up as tank or healer.
Nobody can prevent other people from getting into groups. People need to at least occasionally take the initiative and form their own group.
You can even put “No IO” or “Chill Group” or “casual friendly” or whatever you want in the description to help you get other like minded people in your group.
I think it would be great if someone set up an in game community through the in game interface for people who want to group up outside of “Raider.io”
Communities have their own chat channels and can be joined in addition to your guild, and you can be members of more than 1 community at a time.
This could be a relaxed, stress less environment where people can be allowed to make mistakes while learning dungeons without fear of being yelled at or made fun of.
Yes, but it’s not really giving them a chance if your goal is to prove that giving them a chance was a bad idea. You’re not ACTUALLY being a good person. you’re just trying to FEEL like a good person so you don’t have to feel guilty about being a jerk. It’s performative, not real, generosity.
And it’s thoughtful of the people wiping constantly to expect others who have read a bit and done on heroic to stick around a couple hours? Get over yourself. That’s purely selfish.
In that case I’d suspect their lack of experience. Not that I can even remember the last time I heard of anyone having trouble filling dps roles tho. As I said, getting the experience is easy. Run your key…bonus, you can’t be declined and you get credit on io. Win / win.
People who run mythic dungeons regularly will attest that they often will have to apply to multiple groups before an invite.
But again, everyone can form their own groups and run their own keys. Yes, it takes a bit of initiative to do this, and some patience, but that’s how people who have higher raider.io scores got to that place. At some point they decided to leave their comfort zone and take the initiative to form groups.