With 8.1 just around the corner, I love that 2 stacks are being baked into Backdraft baseline. However, one of my longstanding issues with Backdraft is the short duration of the buff. In PvP, I often have to move into/out of an area/range and thus cannot utilize this to it’s full benefit. If the duration was buffed by just a few seconds to maybe last for another 10-12, it would be a huge QoL improvement. #fingerscrossed
If you mean that Backdraft is giving you 2 stacks from one Conflag, hate to burst your bubble, but that’s not true.
The tooltip for Backdraft added “Maximum 2 charges”, which changes to “Maximum 4 charges” with Flashover. This is clarifying that the buff cast stack past the number of stacks a single cast of Conflag gives you, which has been the case since its rework mid-way through Legion.
The ability hasn’t changed at all.
Right now when you cast Conflagrate, you get one stack of Backdraft. With the Flashover talent, you get 2 stacks. This is changing in 8.1 so that Conflagrate automatically gives you 2 stacks per cast. If you take Flashover, you will get 4 stacks.
I’m just saying that it would be nice if the buff “Backdraft” regardless of stack number would last longer to ensure that it could be fully used. A nice QoL change.
Yeah, that’s what I guessed you were saying, and its not true.
Again the ability hasn’t changed, they just added text for the already existing cap on Backdraft charges.
When were you last on the PTR? It was effective late last week and several YouTube channels have confirmed this change.
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Can you link any?
I tested it 2 minutes ago and it’s identical to live.
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Yeah, and based on discord talk (which I checked just in case), it agrees with me, that its just a tooltip clarification.
I’d be really surprised if any visible/well known Lock players were spreading this.
15:28min in. I have found that everything I’ve ever paid attention to on the BellularGaming channel to be correct.
If I’m wrong, then he’s wrong, and that’s unfortunate as he reaches a massive amount of players!
He’s just reading the patch notes and doesn’t really know what he’s talking about.
Maybe, but he has been around longer than most WoW players. I think he knows more than you’re giving him credit for. However, maybe this was in the patch notes and is not going into effect. I am waiting for a GM ticket response (not holding my breath).
Back to my original point, however, I would love if they made the buff from Backdraft from 10sec to 20sec. Or even 15sec… beggars can’t be choosers!
It’s exactly what he’s doing.
I’m not sure how I feel about a duration increase in pve. I honestly think it’s fine, and you can always refresh it with the second charge.
I mean… you’re just reading the tooltip change incorrectly. So is Bell. It specifically says “Maximum”. I don’t know how more clear that could be.
Moreover, Flashover specifically says that it gives “an additional” charge on cast, so if your Backdraft change is correct, shouldn’t that mean that we get 3 from casting w/ Flashover? Why does it say 4 in the Backdraft tooltip then? Was Flashover not updated as well?
Either way, I feel like its duration is fine as is; it can be refreshed by additional casts and (if you know you’re going to be moving for longer than 2 GCDs) you can plan such that they never expire.
That sounds simple in theory, not in PvP. Many similar type buffs last much longer (Balance Empowerments, for example).
And, I’m not looking for higher stack counts of Backdraft, just that you get more from one Conflagrate. Or, at least, I was.
Not really analgous, imo; the balance empowerments are spent by different spells respectively, whereas Destro has two spells consuming them. I’m also pretty sure (haven’t touched Balance in a bit) that Balance can be a lot busier casting other spells, as opposed to Destro which is mostly spells that consume those stacks.
You mean the whole refreshing thing? I’d argue that if that was such a big deal and you knew that you were going to be moving for a significant amount of time, spending both Conflags right off the bat (such that you can’t cast again til the stacks expire) is a mistake, no? Cause you’re not going to be doing much else during that time.
Like, I’m not against it, I just think its so minor that it wouldn’t actually help in the scenario you’re describing to almost any degree.
Okay, so to close the book on this point just so we can move on, you understand that the tooltip change is talking about “Maximum” charges, not the number you gain on cast?
PTR Wowhead link to Backdraft:
https://ptr.wowhead.com/spell=196406/backdraft