Avoid guild disbands by nerfing second raids

your guild disbanded because BWL was too hard? lololol

I’m going to go ahead and say OP isn’t trolling. I remember people complaining about BWL when it was released. It’s not that hard to believe that a few guilds fell apart because of it. Still don’t think they should change the content, though.

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Literally every guild that had any business in BWL cleared it the first lockout. dire maul west was 10x harder than BWL lol

There you go. Guild Recruitment for Retail where they HAVE easy versions of raids.

Have at it.

People who make posts like this should be perma banned from ever making a post on the forums again. Making a post with the sole intent of causing people to fight is beyond childish, and you should feel ashamed of yourself.

TBC raids won’t be hard even if they’re pre nerf. What they need to do is is pre nerf them and increase boss hp by about 50-100% across the board.

Who cares if guilds disband.

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Guilds are like family to many people I dont like seeing my family torn apart just because blizzard wants to give us pre nerf bosses because of the top 2% of guilds who wont struggle want that. When many will and disband. And people attacking me dont understand how most guilds are they either dont play this game or think every guild is like the ones they see on twitch

The struggle is a part of raiding. That being said, there are a lot of resources available to players. It should not be an insurmountable task for a team with a bit of research and a fair amount of determination.
I suppose the big question is: what went wrong? Is it coordination? Lack of class/spec knowledge? Strategy? You’ll need to figure out what’s stopping your guild from succeeding.

Well the second raid shouldn’t be 3-5x as hard as the first raid.

If your guild disbands because it cant kill a boss, then sorry to say, but it isnt like family.

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I don’t know about 3-5 times, but it should definitely be harder. The first tier would have more flexibility given that players will probably only have the minimum requirements going in. Second tier would presume that the raid team has everything they need from the first tier already.

but we are just average guild.

sadly, no, no you are not. if you could not kill the first boss of bwl you are in the minority of worst guilds, maybe play dungeons with your friends and find a better guild for raiding.

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no kidding… 20 pugs killed razorgore in the first hour of p3 on our server…

Having 2.4.3 itemization and balancing, years of strategies being developed, and the huge amount of resources like BiS lists and guides. Most casual guilds will be able to clear the raids pretty easy. They werent too bad back in the day outside a handful of bosses like KT, Vashj, and archimonde

Even though this a troll thread, not everyone deserves to beat a video game. Stop feeling entitled and do the content. If you can’t, well too bad, it doesn’t need to be dumbed down for you. I suck at dark souls like games but I’m not begging the developers to make easy mode so I can beat it. Either I get better or I move on and enjoy something else. If a random pug of idiots can clear BWL, any organized guild should be able to.

omegalol bait

Bwl was way too hard compared to molten coreThat’s a fact. I know some of you are here to flex because you and your guild could but a lot couldn’t. And this will happen in tbc too if they dont nerf the second raid.

Alternatively you can delete your acc

It wasn’t as bad in classic but in vanilla, razorgore and vael did break up alot of guilds. There was a reason they gave vael the nickname “the guild breaker”.

My friend i have some news for you. Karazhan is not the smooth sailing you think it is when it launched. It became easy after getting nerfed to the ground a patch or two later.